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Title: Unknown uniforms WW1 period Yorkshire Annie PYNE nee JACKSON
Post by: Chris Pyne on Tuesday 29 October 19 09:30 GMT (UK)
I am puzzled by attached photo of my grand mother, Annie JACKSON (1897 - 1974)  married 1924, Liversedge in West Yorkshire. Her seated companion on her right is unknown.

I took a scan of this photo along with  others that my father inherited but there was nothing on the reverse side. It is studio photograph so what event was important enough to pay for a photo. Why are the uniforms important ?

As the period of the photo is probably 1914-18 my thoughts have included voluntary nursing or a munitons factory ? I cannot see any insignia on the uniforms, I think those are more buttons on the lapels.

The whole Jackson family was employed in various roles in woollen industry, weaving carpets, so are these typical factory clothes of the period and this is her first job?

Do any of the forum members recognise the style of dress from their family history photos?

thank you
Chris Pyne
Title: Re: Unknown uniforms WW1 period Yorkshire Annie PYNE nee JACKSON
Post by: starcat on Tuesday 29 October 19 09:36 GMT (UK)
Chris,google images show women munitions workers wearing the same uniform.
Title: Re: Unknown uniforms WW1 period Yorkshire Annie PYNE nee JACKSON
Post by: Chris Pyne on Tuesday 29 October 19 10:09 GMT (UK)
Thanks Starcat,

A Munitions search on Yorkshire led me to Barnbow, being the biggest factory in the area, 16,000 people working there and 90% women.  There was a disaster in 1916 with 35 women killed, so there are quite a few pictures of workers in this specific factory.

Their uniform is very similar, a full dress overall with a large v  neck or buttoned-up.  Most of the others I found on Google were women wearing trousers and a overall skirt.

I'll take this back to my father and see if he remembers anything.
Title: Re: Unknown uniforms WW1 period Yorkshire Annie PYNE nee JACKSON
Post by: SiGr on Tuesday 29 October 19 12:53 GMT (UK)
If it is any help, the lady on the right has a soldier's cap badge on her blouse, just below her neck. It is that of The Machine Gun Corps.
Title: Re: Unknown uniforms WW1 period Yorkshire Annie PYNE nee JACKSON
Post by: jess5athome on Tuesday 29 October 19 13:13 GMT (UK)
If it is any help, the lady on the right has a soldier's cap badge on her blouse, just below her neck. It is that of The Machine Gun Corps.


I wonder if it's a Sweetheart Brooch.............

Frank.
Title: Re: Unknown uniforms WW1 period Yorkshire Annie PYNE nee JACKSON
Post by: jess5athome on Tuesday 29 October 19 13:21 GMT (UK)
Hi, There are several Jackson's listed in the Machine Gun Corps, I wonder if it was a sibling who was serving, one was from Holbeck in Leeds but never went overseas.

Frank.
Title: Re: Unknown uniforms WW1 period Yorkshire Annie PYNE nee JACKSON
Post by: Chris Pyne on Wednesday 30 October 19 07:15 GMT (UK)
SiGr, Jess5athome,

Wow, that is news.  Thank you .

Yes, Annie had seven brothers and there is a future husband Samuel Pyne to consider too.
I know Fred Jackson 1893 to 1918 died in "France & Flanders" and probably first 3/4 would have been eligible to volunteer but I  have not researched any of them specifically for military service in WW1.

Chris
Title: Re: Unknown uniforms WW1 period Yorkshire Annie PYNE nee JACKSON
Post by: tonepad on Wednesday 30 October 19 08:10 GMT (UK)
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Title: Re: Unknown uniforms WW1 period Yorkshire Annie PYNE nee JACKSON
Post by: jess5athome on Wednesday 30 October 19 13:25 GMT (UK)
Hi chrisjpyne, I don't know if it's any connection, but the only Fred Jackson I can find who was killed in 1918 is:

Fred Jackson
Service Number 22340

Died 17/02/1918

Aged 36

2nd Coy.
Machine Gun Corps (Infantry)

Husband of Fanny E. Jackson, of 17, Church St., Stanground, Peterborough.

I don't know if he's one of yours but if he is it puts a little bit more of a possible connection to the MGC badge she is wearing.

Frank.
Title: Re: Unknown uniforms WW1 period Yorkshire Annie PYNE nee JACKSON
Post by: Treetotal on Wednesday 30 October 19 14:18 GMT (UK)
Hi Chris...I gave your photo a clean for you...what a lovely photo.
Carol
Title: Re: Unknown uniforms WW1 period Yorkshire Annie PYNE nee JACKSON
Post by: jess5athome on Wednesday 30 October 19 14:28 GMT (UK)
Hi Chris...I gave your photo a clean for you...what a lovely photo.
Carol


At times I wish we had a "Like Button" on the page.................................

Frank.
Title: Re: Unknown uniforms WW1 period Yorkshire Annie PYNE nee JACKSON
Post by: Treetotal on Wednesday 30 October 19 14:32 GMT (UK)
Aw Frank thank you...I like you too  :-* ;D ;D ;D
Carol
Title: Re: Unknown uniforms WW1 period Yorkshire Annie PYNE nee JACKSON
Post by: Chris Pyne on Wednesday 30 October 19 17:04 GMT (UK)
Jess5athome,

Thanks for looking Fred up but that is too old, Fred was born 1893 Dewsbury, Yorkshire.  I have him as F. Jackson,  East Yorkshire Regiment but there are other possibilities, it is only based on family's oral history that he "died near end of the war".  However they were wrong about another  WW2 casualty, "died in a submarine near Brazil" turned out to be torpedoed in HMS Penelope in the Med !
Fred Jackson is a common name, don't think I will ever be 100% sure.

I have attached what I hope is a better photo of Annie's cap badge. Looks like she did more than one photo in that studio session as her blouse and necklace is the same as in the factory uniform .

thanks
Chris
Title: Re: Unknown uniforms WW1 period Yorkshire Annie PYNE nee JACKSON
Post by: Chris Pyne on Wednesday 30 October 19 17:21 GMT (UK)
Carol,

Jess5athome is right, we need a Like button or even a Heart one !  That is a wonderful restoration, it makes it look like new again.  My father was passed several photos from the death of an aunt  but they all seem faded, do not know whether it an ageing process or the quality of cameras and film they were using.

Thank you very much  :)
Chris
Title: Re: Unknown uniforms WW1 period Yorkshire Annie PYNE nee JACKSON
Post by: Treetotal on Wednesday 30 October 19 18:16 GMT (UK)
You are welcome Chris...It's so worth preserving, it's lovely...maybe you would like to have more of them brought back to life here where we can work on them for you:

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/free-photo-restoration/

Carol
Title: Re: Unknown uniforms WW1 period Yorkshire Annie PYNE nee JACKSON
Post by: sandrastocks54 on Wednesday 30 October 19 18:42 GMT (UK)
Fred Jackson of Liversedge died 28 September 1918.  He was in the 10th Battalion East Yorks Regiment, regimental number 51168.

He is buried at Underhill Farm Cemetery, Hainaut, Belgium.  Details are on the CWGC website

Sandra