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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Carmarthenshire => Wales => Carmarthenshire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: scottphillips94 on Tuesday 29 October 19 09:07 GMT (UK)
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Looking for more information regarding the ''Marks'' family from Cilrhedyn and Llanelli
I have traced a big proportion of the family and have got back to....
''Thomas Marks'' 1800-1880 - Spouse ''Elizabeth Williams ? (no dob or death)
siblings =
James Marks 1861-1911
Elizabeth Marks abt1830-
John Marks abt1835-
Mary Marks abt1835-
Sarah Marks abt1835-
William Marks abt1836-
Hannah Marks abt1838-
David Marks abt1845-
Margaret Marks abt1849-
Jane Marks abt1855-
Elinor Marks abt1869-1869
Wondered if anyone has any more information on anything further back or any death records for any of the siblings above ?
Im pretty new to this and don't have any access to much information as I have no subscription to my ancestry account or my heritage accounts as of yet
Any help would be appreciated
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Hello,
Have you tried Familysearch.Org and GRO, free sites but you have to register.
Familysearch has Census info and the GRO has Birth Reg with Mothers maiden name from Sept 1837..
www.gro.gov.uk
www.familysearch.Org
After you have found them on Census you can look at FreeBMD for possible Marriages for the Children.
I will have a quick look and see what I can find for you.
Trish :)
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I can see a Thomas Marks, born 1800, Cilrhedyn, on the '51, '61 and '71 Census, address Danygraig, Newcastle Emlyn.
However, his wife is a Charlotte, born 1810, Penboyr.
Where did you get the information re. a marriage to an Elizabeth Williams?
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1851 Census
Kilrhedyn, Cardiganshire
Thomas Marks, 51, Head, Mar, Farmer of 12 Acres, born Cilrhedyn, Carmarthenshire
Charlot Marks, 41, Wife, Mar
Anna Marks, 12, Daug
Ann Marks, 9, Daug
David Marks, 6, Son
Margret Marks, 2, Daug
1841 Census
Kilrhedyn, Cardiganshire
Thos Marks 40 Ag Lab
Charlote Marks 30
Elizabeth Marks 11
Mary Marks 5
Sarah Marks 5
John Marks 5
William Marks 4
Anna Marks 2 (likely Hannah)
GRO;
MARKS, MARGARET, Mothers maiden name DAVIES***
GRO Reference: 1849 M Quarter in NEWCASTLE IN EMLYN Volume 26 Page 737
So you think that Thomas may have been married Twice?
First to a Elizabeth?
1861 Census
Thomas Marks 60
Charlott Marks 50
Margaret Marks 13
James Marks 10
Jennet Marks 6 (likely Jane)
MARKS, JANE, mmn DAVIES
GRO Reference: 1855 J Quarter in NEWCASTLE IN EMLYN Volume 11B Page 19
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MY MISTAKE
his wife was Charlotte Davies, I have her parents as david davies and Elizabeth williams
I was particularly interested in locating Thomas Marks parents
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Only Marks I can find on F/S.Org. or FreeREG;
MARTHA Marks Bapt 29 Dec 1800, St Teilo, Cilrhedyn
Parents WILLIAM/SARAH
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not got her on my current family tree or William and sarah
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Thomas (1799-1880) and Charlotte (1810-93) Marks were my great great grandparents. Charlotte was from Penboyr. They lived first at Clun Yr Hwch, Cilrhedyn, then Danygraig, Meidrim. I have been unable to trace the parents of Thomas - research gets difficult, maybe impossible, before 1800. They had 11 children including my great grandparent William.
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Ah nice to meet you, yes they had a lot of children, the marks takes up the largest proportion of my grandmothers side of the family, we have visited cilrhedyn a long time ago to one of the burial sites of one of the marks family I’ll have to dig out the photos and Info
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Thanks, likewise. It's a pity we can't return to 1850 - I'm sure the various Marks households in Cilrhedyn knew how they were related and who their ancestors were. I presume you grandmother is also in the Thomas & Charlotte line - are you able to identify which of their children provided the immediate line to her? In my case, William ended up farming in Pinged, Pembrey and, from that point on my forebears on my father's side are in the Pembrey / Burry Port / Kidwelly / Llanelli area.
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I don't think Thomas was a son of William & Sarah. When he died in 1833, William left a detailed will which mentions wife Sarah, eldest son John, son William, daughters Margaret, Elizabeth, Mary & Hannah. Possible burial for Martha 6 July 1810.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ojz/
Baptisms before 1800 for Cilrhedyn are not online as they do not seem to have survived. NLW have the BTs and copies of some extracts.
https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/CMN/Cilrhedyn
There is a John Marks with wife Mary - marriage to Mary Lewis in Cilrhedyn 4 Aug 1795 - and they had a son John baptised 29 April 1797 in Rock Independent in Trelech a'r Betws. This John must have died before March 1805 as Mary applied for administration of his goods.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ok0/
A possibility for parents and Thomas may have been baptised in another independent or non-conformist church in the area. There's a choice!
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Thanks Osprey. William and Sarah is the wrong line. It's William and Sophia - Thomas, my grandfather, was one of their children. They used the same names so often, but William and Sarah sound like the Pengribyn line and I'm unable to link that line to mine although I don't doubt that there is a link back there somewhere in the pre-1800's.
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yes, they are the Pengribyn family.
;)
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The Pengribyn family is the best documented - they owned land and made wills. You are welcome to let me know if you have an interest in any particular person or line - I don't have much information but you never know what bits of knowledge can help.
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I'm not related, just trying to help with info. William & Sarah had come up earlier and I didn't want the OP going down that line as I could see they weren't the parents of Thomas born 1800ish.
I'm not sure you will find out for sure who his parents were. I suspect that at least some of the baptisms in the family were in non-conformist churches.
There are parish baptisms in Penboyr for Eliza & Mary 21 April 1833 daughters of Thomas & Charlotte,residence Manllegwaun and Sarah 27 July 1845 residence Llwynyscawen.
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“”Thanks Osprey. William and Sarah is the wrong line. It's William and Sophia - Thomas, my grandfather, was one of their children. They used the same names so often, but William and Sarah sound like the Pengribyn line and I'm unable to link that line to mine although I don't doubt that there is a link back there somewhere in the pre-1800's.“”
Just checking, if you check the photos I have attached below are matching what you have for the marks family as the above confused me a little.....
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Unable to post a photo for some reason...
I have a “William Marks abt1836”” married to “Sophia Evans abt1841-1919”” ??
I have them down as having 6 children “Jonah / David / Ellen / Hannah / Thomas & Ann”
Then I have “Thomas Marks abt1800-1880” married to “Charlotte Davies abt1810-1893” as the parents of William among a lot of others including “James Marks abt1851-1911”
Just checking this matches your information
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Yes Scott, that all matches. Much of it is a matter of family knowledge, without having to work from census information. Thomas and Charlotte had 11 children all told. Charlotte's parents were a David and Elizabeth of Penboyr, but the chances of finding the parents of Thomas look slim. Many thanks.
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Hi,
My Great grandad is John marks of Cilrhedyn and my great great grandad is Thomas marks who was married to Charlotte.
Great to find people with the same family.
Regards
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Hey, would be great to get some info on the family, I’ve done a fair bit of research on them and have lots of names in my family tree but would love to compare and fill some gaps if possible
could you drop me a message with any info or some photos of your family tree so I can compare ?
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Hi Zeppelin 321,
Thanks for your message. Yes we share the same great great grandparents. My great grandfather was William, born 1835 about a year before his brother John who was your great grandfather. The note in my father's papers says that John left home to work on the railways and lived at Penllain, Croesyceiliog. After marrying he lived at Bryngors Farm, then Gelligeirios (1881) and finally bought Abercyfor, Cwmffrwd, Carmarthenshire. I seem to remember my grandmother Margaret mentioning Gelligeirios occasionally. Was John's wife called Anne or Margaret?
I assume that we are both in the dark when it comes to tracing the parents of Thomas Marks (circa 1799-1880)?
Good to hear from you.
RM
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Yes all those locations are correct. My grandad gave up the farm at Abercyfor and left his sisters with it. He moved with his wife to Llanelli to run a milk business. I’ve not had any joy trying to find Thomas’s parents. My mum has her DNA tested 80% welsh but was 10% Spain’s/Portuguese Italian. My mum is quite dark skinned and we think there maybe some link with the marks side to this but haven’t found it yet. Also someone else posted about in the past the Marks family being jewellers in Hatton gardens in London. Again I have found no evidence of this yet. So still searching. So you know anything about this? I’ve found a David Marks from Cilrhedyn that was a musician and wrote the hymns ‘Manchester’ and ‘Cannon Street’ I find this intriguing too. How are we related ? Great to know I’ve find more family!
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Sorry just seen we are related through William Marks.
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Thanks again Zeppelin 321. That is, you are related through William (1888-1963) who married Elizabeth of Croesyceiliog Farm and became a milk vendor in Llanelli.
I haven't done any DNA testing but my first cousin did this and some Middle Eastern ancestry was disclosed. But 80 is a high percentage Welsh.
I thought I would be able to trace a link to David Marks (Ffynnon Ddrain) the mason / musician but I can't. During his time there was also a David Marks of Perthgygwenyn, Cilrhedyn but I can't work out his ancestry either. Clearly they all had common ancestors in the 1700's. There was a John Marks of Penygribyn, Cilrhedyn who owned land and made a will and who dates from well back into the 1700's - he probably had brothers as most families were large.
They say the Marks name was common in the West Country well back into the 1500's so that could have been the source. There were (and presumably still are) identifiably Jewish Marks families in South East Wales but no such indications for the Carmarthenshire clan which mainly consisted of small subsistence farmers. (I have been able to get copies of the hymn tunes "Cannon St' and "Manchester" but haven't got around to working out how they go.)
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hello all,
David Marks, Son of Thomas and Charlotte, moved down to Llanelli with his brother James (?) for work, and that's where he chose to stay and start his own family .
that's my line :)
I appear to be related to half of you heh !.
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Hi im a Marks from llanelli.my grandfather was dennis marks dad anthony marks.My grandfather's dad is Mervyn marks