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General => The Common Room => Topic started by: gwyninoz on Saturday 26 October 19 03:28 BST (UK)
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A while ago there was a discussion about the Hanwell Asylum records and a member called Tony (sorry I can't remember your user name) had some useful information about the contents of the records.
I think my Great Grandfather was admitted 24th January 1861 and died there 23rd December 1862. The Asylum doesn't seem to be recorded in the 1861 census, at least I couldn't find it.
My question is, would the admission record show the patient's occupation? If so I can either rule him out or apply to the LMA.
Henry Hobbs is a fairly common name and I don't want to order multiple certificates from the GRO if I can rule this guy out straight away. Our Henry Edward Hobbs was, according to his son's birth and marriage certificate, a watchmaker.
I don't have any relatives left in the UK to do lookups so I would be grateful for any information you lovely people can provide.
Cheers, Gwyn
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This is the thread referred to
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=603100.0
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Thank you. I'll have another look.
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Likely death reg
HOBBS, HENRY
Age at Death (in years): 38
GRO Reference: 1862 D Quarter in UXBRIDGE UNION Volume 03A Page 27
1861 census, Hanwell asylum is in piece 770. Patients recorded by initials.
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Wow! Only one entry. Thanks for that, I wasn't sure which district to look for but only one cert. at $20 delivered is good value. In Queensland it's $30 without delivery and takes forever :)
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You can order a pdf version direct from GRO = £7.00 so even better value.
You will have to register with your e-mail address and create a password - no charge for this.
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/Login.asp
And you will need to quote the reference given by jonw65.
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Thank you again. I have the password and stuff already (I've been doing this for 12 years) so translate UKpounds to Oz $ and with postage it's about $20 which is fine. Now it's narrowed down I can go ahead.
I'm fairly sure that the gentleman in the asylum is not our man but I want to eliminate him before I finally settle the fact that our Henry Hobbs is actually fictitious, something I'm pretty sure of as there is no father given on his son's birth certificate and the other son was unfortunate to be born in Scotland where they make no bones about registering him as illegitimate :D
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Likely death reg
HOBBS, HENRY
Age at Death (in years): 38
GRO Reference: 1862 D Quarter in UXBRIDGE UNION Volume 03A Page 27
1861 census, Hanwell asylum is in piece 770. Patients recorded by initials.
You say in the heading that your Henry was born 1842, this one would be a lot older
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Excellent, even better. I can probably eliminate him altogether and save the GBP7. I am working on the assumption that our Henry is actually fictitious to make his son's marriage certificate look better (he certainly doesn't appear on the birth certificate) and Henry in the asylum was the last possible candidate to eliminate.
Cheers and thank you.
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1861 entry for H H shows an age of 21 with an unknown occupation.
Added: forgot to add that he is unmarried.
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Thank you.
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As he is fictitious, why do you say he was born in 1842? How could you know?
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1861 entry for H H shows an age of 21 with an unknown occupation.
Added: forgot to add that he is unmarried.
But there are several male patients with the initials H H in Hanwell in 1861, so the 21 year old is unlikely to be the one who died in 1862. There is also a 36 year old carpenter and a 35 year old painter.
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Perhaps it is time rootschatters had another look at your original post on this family, it has been a while since you first asked :)
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=397684.
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Charles James Hobbs birth in Islington, Sep 1860, has a dash for mother's maiden name.
A birth on ScotlandsPeople of an Arthur Hobbs in 1863, district Tradeston
Arthur is also on FamilySearch, born 9 May 1863, mother Mary Ann Hobbs.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VQQX-XH2
Arthur seems to be about in Tottenham later.
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I note when son Charles James Hobbs baptised 24/6/1860 Hoxton, father shown as 'Charles' Hobbs, Watchmaker.
Studying the other post too I agree with you that a 'Mr' Hobbs, Watchmaker, is a fabrication and that Mary Ann, mother, was a single lady. Quite possible that a gentleman who was a watchmaker was indeed the father of both of her sons but he certainly wasn't a Hobbs.
Annette
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If this is Mary A & Charles in 1871 ...
1871 census
RG10/ 317 f 43
87 Tottenham Rd. W. Hackney
Sarah Hobbs age 78 Widow occ Laundress b Wilts. (Wiltshire)
Mary Hobbs age 38 b Islington
Charles son age 10 b Islington
Sarah was living in Tottenham Road on earlier census.
1861 - RG09/155 p134 f56
Sarah Hobbs age 67 born Wiltshire
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1851 Tottenham Rd
HO107/1504 f303 p60
William Hobbs age 53 bn Boreham, Wiltshire occ Stationer (?)
Sarah Hobbs age 57 bn Langton, Wiltshire
Charles Hobbs age 25 bn Islington
William Hobbs age ?5 bn Hackney
1841 still at Tottenham Rd
HO107/700 bk7 f18 p29
William Hobbs 40 not bn in County
William Hobbs 4 bn in county
Sarah Hobbs 40 not bn in County
Eliza Hobbs 15 not bn in County
Charles Hobbs 15 bn in County
Mary Hobbs 8 bn in County
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Yes, I have come to the conclusion that Mary Ann Hobbs, daughter of William and Sarah was a single Mother and maybe Charles' father was a watchmaker, just not Henry Edward Hobbs. Who knows who Arthur's father was.
I have followed her, and her parents, through the census records and there was never any sign of husbands or even permanent partners.
Charles James married my Grandmother, Caroline Clarke, and died in a home for alcoholics. Arthur married Bertha Blyther and severed all contact with his brother.
BTW 1842 was a suggestion from a tree on Ancestry, fantasy I believe.
Search ended I believe.
Thank you all.