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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Topic started by: NeillWilsonZA on Monday 21 October 19 18:24 BST (UK)
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Good evening all,
I'm new to all this, but am trying to trace down some family history on my father's side. I have gotten as far back as my 4th great-grandfather Charles Wilson, father of Peter Wilson (who married Frederikka Thesen while he was working on a copper mine in Norway). Peter was born February 17th 1828, but there is hardly any info on his father Charles. I am wondering where else to look for info?
Kind regards from a sunny South Africa,
Neill Wilson
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Have you searched Scotland's People www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk?
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Hi Neill
Welcome to RootsChat :)
You don't mention who Peter's mother or siblings were. Is this them in 1841? They all show as born outside of the county:
Charles Wilson 44 overseer
William Wilson 16
Peter Wilson 13
Mary Wilson 10
James Wilson 8
Agnes Hamilton 19 servant
Address: Woodhead Lead Mines, Carsphairn, Kirkcudbrightshire
Was Peter's mother a Margaret Stewart? If so, possible entry for Mary www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTFP-5KM
Monica
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There is this entry from 1851:
Charles Wilson 54 Overseer Lead Miner b. Sanquhar Wanlockhead, Dumfriesshire
Peter Wilson 23 miner b. Sanquhar Wanlockhead, Dumfriesshire
Mary Paterson 21
Address: Overseer House, Woodhead Lead Mines, Carsphairn, Kirkcudbrightshire
For this family, I think Mary married in 1850 and James joined the church and later married in 1863 in Edinburgh.
A possible death for Charles post 1855 and the start of Scottish official registration of BMDs. If the correct one in 1872 New Abbey, Kirkcudbright, it should include the names of his parents if this info was known to the informant of his death. His son, James Stewart Wilson, was the Minister of New Abbey at this time.
There is an entry in the Wills & Testaments section of Scotlands People (as linked above by Forfarian) which shows:
Charles Wilson
19/9/1872
resided at Woodhead Mine, parish of Carsphairn
Kirkcudbright Sheriff Court
SC16/41/30
If you have further details on Peter, this would help in trying to connect to his extended family and from this try to get details on his parents.
Some background on the Woodhead Mine here www.carsphairn.org/CarsphairnArchive/files/original/bc1c71e6091c644a1b0655e097d1e1b2.pdf
Monica
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With the birth place coming up on the censuses for Charles Wilson, this could connect to him or a sibling? www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XYMD-NTL
A very basic rough tree for him? www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/2:2:94ZT-Q4F
Also, a possible sister https://gw.geneanet.org/schnapper?lang=en&n=wilson&oc=0&p=elizabeth
Monica
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Morning all,
I should have given some more details on what I had for Peter Wilson thus far!
All I had was:
Full Name: Peter Wilson
DoB: 17/02/1828
DoD: 28/05/1892
He was born in Scotland to Charles Wilson (no mother mentioned, she died when he was 5). He also got into the mining business and moved to Giessen in Germany in the 1880s. No mention of other siblings either.
His father Charles, all i know is that he was a mining supervisor for the Duke of Buccleuch at Leadhills.
I have also attempted to contact the distant relative who posted the above info to see if they have any other information on Charles. Waiting to hear back from him.
Thanks Monica, that definitely sounds promising! I am busy registering on the FamilySearch website so I can look into your links today.
Will let you know if I find out any more information.
Kind regards,
Neill
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Neill, I think Leadhills was the property of the Hope's, the duke of Buccleuch had Wanlockhead over the county line!
Skoosh.
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Thank you Skoosh!
Funnily enough, not sure how this escaped my Google results earlier... but I came across this 2004 newsletter from the Carsphairn Heritage Group, with an awesome write-up on my 4th great-grandfather Charles Wilson.
https://www.carsphairn.org/CarsphairnArchive/files/original/5a85832ba5fcac356cc4bc0ea9586a03.pdf
This fills in some of the gaps, and hopefully I can find more information on Charles' parents etc the more I look.
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Interesting link Neill, the two auld wifies included! ;D
Skoosh.
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Well, that was the perfect find Niell :) All the details from there link to what we have here so far.
His death cert from 1872 should provide you with his parents' names. I would guess his son, Rev. James, could well be the informant maybe.
If it does turn out to be William Wilson and Elizabeth Ramage, there is this old thread here on RC that mentions them www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=65115.0
Monica
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There are a couple of family trees on Ancestry for siblings Mary and Rev James if you have access.
Monica
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From another site:
Elisabeth Wilson (born Ramage), Circa 1758 - 1837
Elisabeth Wilson (born Ramage) was born circa 1758, to William or James Ramage.
William was born in Wanlockhead Dumfriesshire?.
Elisabeth had 4 siblings: Williamson Ramage and 3 other siblings.
Elisabeth married William Wilson on month day 1781, at age 23 at marriage place.
William was born circa 1740.
They had 6 children: Christian Watson (born Wilson), Deborah Hastie (born Wilson) and 4 other children.
Elisabeth passed away on month day 1837, at age 79 at death place.
www.myheritage.com/names/elisabeth_ramage
Just watch when searching for Elizabeth as often her name is showing with an 's' rather than 'z'.
Monica
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Thank you Monica.
Just found some gold-dust in the Carpshairn Archives online. A full breakdown of Wilsons from Charles' grandfather William Wilson all the way down to myself, sister and first cousins! I will post the link below, as well as on that other thread you posted earlier.
https://www.carsphairn.org/CarsphairnArchive/items/show/1094
Hopefully someone else can use it as well :)
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Regarding Peter's eldest brother William who died young, there was mention in the link you have that he died at Woodhead Mine followed by his wife. Ages not quite a match but looks to be him.
I think he is listed in entry No. 91 here www.carsphairn.org › original › 628be30a1082edfe0d4c6ef715bee76c
Just click on the second number link.
Monica
Added: Link to cemetery entries not working but will if you just copy the number and letters string to you search box.
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Wow, that is a gift of info, Niell. Thanks be to Peter's diaries and his descendants for writing this all up.
I hope you can read German for parts of it ;)
Monica
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Hello Neill,
Peter Wilson was the father of my grandmothers mother Bessie Dingeldey (Wilson).
I got some information for you. As far as I know from afamily tree Charles Wilson (Peters father) was the son of William Wilson (*1740, +19.6.1802 in Wanlockhead) and Elisabeth Ramage (*1760, + 7.3.1839). William Wilsons parents were Matthew Wilson and Deborah Lee.
Kind regards
Pieter
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I hope you can read German for parts of it ;)
If you need a wee bit of help with the German let me know. It's too long for me to translate the whole thing!
PS the tree attached to the German article says that the parents of William Wilson b 1740 were William Wilson and Janet Dobie. That baptism is in the index as Scotland's people, on 31 March 1740 in the parish of Crawford and Leadhills.
Where did Matthew Wilson and Deborah Lee come from?