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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => London and Middlesex => Topic started by: nicholpope on Thursday 17 October 19 19:10 BST (UK)
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Hi
As a long shot to find more about John Stevens and Emily goldswain, I purchased the birth certificate of their first child.
I am hoping to find this address in 1881 to see if there is any link between the occupants and the couple.
I have looked through all the records trying to find something similar to what is Written on the birth certificate but no luck.
A previous board my help with my history on this couple https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=602839.0
Can anyone help transcribe the address or help to find any possible link? Maybe electrol records from 1883?
Thanks
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I don't know if it is me but I am having difficulty finding registered births in the name of Stevens, I picked out Grace Margaret Stevens in particular, no joy, perhaps it is me !!!
Louisa Maud
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So far I can only find registrations for
Emily mothers maiden name Goldswain
Ada and Elsie, twins
Harry
Elsie
All registered Camberwell
No marriage either so far
Louisa Maud
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Can anyone help transcribe the address
1 Swiss Cottages, Hindmans Road
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This is a confusing family
Lily in 1901 is she Lydia 1891
Agnes in 1901 is she/he Augustus 1911
Edith born 1883 is she Jane in 1891
Ethel May 1898 does she become Grace Margaret?
1901 census Ada is listed age 2 where is her twin Elsie? both are there 1911
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They certainly are confusing, no wonder I can't find them all listed with mother's maiden name, did wonder if either had been married before as they were slightly older parents, not by much though, bear in mind not everyone married in those days as much as we would have liked them to, if no marriage I wonder why?
Louisa Maud
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Can anyone help transcribe the address
1 Swiss Cottages, Hindmans Road
I can't find Swiss Cottages. Maybe it should have been 1 Smiths Cottages ?
1881 -- RG11/678 folio 32 page 58 (surnames ANDREWS, JOLLEY, MARKS)
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Agree with address, google maps have Hindmans Road in East Dulwich
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Is this your family?
Cernsus 1911 at 144 *andcroft Rd Camberwell, London
STEVENS John 60y labourer b. Cockney, Liverpool
STEVENS Emily 57y b. Great Marlow Buckinghamshire
STEVENS John 23y factory hand
STEVENS James 21y shop assistant
STEVENS Emily 18y laundry hand
STEVENS Augustus 16y
STEVENS Grace 13y
STEVENS Ada 11y
STEVENS Elsie 11y
STEVENS Harry 9y
STEVENS Frances 7y
STEVENS Charles 5y
THOMPSON Julia 21y visitor
birthplace for all children in East Dulwich, London, also for Julia THOMPSON, and I suspect that she has just been casually included.
Census 1901 at 54 Ulverscroft Rd Camberwell
STEVENS John 49y b. Liverpool
STEVENS Emily 41y b. Great Marlow Buckinghamshire
STEVENS Lily 17y b. East Dulwich, London
STEVENS John 13y b. East Dulwich, London
STEVENS James 12y b. East Dulwich, London
STEVENS Emily 8y b. East Dulwich, London
STEVENS Agnes 6y b. East Dulwich, London
STEVENS Grace Margaret 4y b. East Dulwich, London
STEVENS Ider 2y b. East Dulwich, London
Census 1891 at 54 Ulverscroft Rd Camberwell
STEVENS John 34y b. Whitby Lam\ncashire
STEVENS Emily 37y b. Great Marlow Bucks
STEVENS Jane 8y b. Dulwich, London
STEVENS Lydia 6y b. Dulwich, London
STEVENS John 3y b. Dulwich, London
STEVENS James 1y b. Dulwich, London
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I found all the same, change of names make it confusing,
Louisa Maud
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Thank you everyone, will check in on all of these.
I too have been unable to locate many children, maybe they didn't register them?
Yes the census above are the family I am looking into. I also looked at every electoral role post 1911 and Emily disappeared from the address that stayed in the family after 1933 and John in 1919
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All babies had to be registered from about 1875, wonder if they were registered in a different name
Louisa Maud
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I have found a baptism for
Lillie Edith Stevens
born 05/10/1884
baptized 05/11/1884
of John and Emily Stevens
of 6 Golden mews
at All Saints Notting Hill
occ Baker
Have you checked 1939 register, you mentioned disappeared, , perhaps she was living elsewhere
Louisa Maud
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You mentioned Emily had "disappeared" from 1933, what about this
Death 1933
aged 80
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born 1853, give or take a year either side
Camberwell
ref 1d 568
Louisa Maud
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How about this one for the missing twin elsie in 1901.. strangely struggling to trace this family too.
Cottage in Wright Nursery, Turner Road, Lee, Lewisham, London & Kent, England
Charles Cooper Head Married Male 33 1868 Nursery Gardener High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, England
Ellen Cooper Wife Married Female 43 1858 - Aston Clinton, Buckinghamshire, England
Florence Warner Step Daughter - Female 10 1891 - North Kensington, London, England
Elsie Warner Step Daughter - Female 7 1894 - North Kensington, London, England
Edith Warner Step Daughter - Female 5 1896 - North Kensington, London, England
Elsie Stevens Grand Daughter - Female 1 1900 - North Kensington, London, England
Who's granddaughter however I do not know, Ellen cooper is younger than John just a couple more year older than Emily.
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You mentioned Emily had "disappeared" from 1933, what about this
Death 1933
aged 80
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born 1853, give or take a year either side
Camberwell
ref 1d 568
Louisa Maud
I suspect this one is correct, just no hard evidence as birth year seem to change on census.
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I have found a baptism for
Lillie Edith Stevens
born 05/10/1884
baptized 05/11/1884
of John and Emily Stevens
of 6 Golden mews
at All Saints Notting Hill
occ Baker
Have you checked 1939 register, you mentioned disappeared, , perhaps she was living elsewhere
Louisa Maud
Unfortunately this isn't our Lille as we have the birthday as 24/02/85, this is across the 39 census and a school admissions register.
I also have
Augustus: 12/07/95.
John: 29/01/88
James: 12/09/89
Emily: 26/12/92
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Can anyone help transcribe the address
1 Swiss Cottages, Hindmans Road
I can't find Swiss Cottages. Maybe it should have been 1 Smiths Cottages ?
1881 -- RG11/678 folio 32 page 58 (surnames ANDREWS, JOLLEY, MARKS)
Oh, didn't see Swiss in there, good shout but like you say unfortunately not there. Could be Smith's. I had thought "sevies" but again not there. But interestingly a surname like some of the other house names.
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Sometimes we have to splash out for certificates to prove or disprove information we think is right, for the cost of a death certificate you would get her address and next of kin who may have registered her birth.
Louisa Maud
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your quote
How about this one for the missing twin elsie in 1901.. strangely struggling to trace this family too.
Cottage in Wright Nursery, Turner Road, Lee, Lewisham, London & Kent, England
Charles Cooper Head Married Male 33 1868 Nursery Gardener High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, England
Ellen Cooper Wife Married Female 43 1858 - Aston Clinton, Buckinghamshire, England
Florence Warner Step Daughter - Female 10 1891 - North Kensington, London, England
Elsie Warner Step Daughter - Female 7 1894 - North Kensington, London, England
Edith Warner Step Daughter - Female 5 1896 - North Kensington, London, England
Elsie Stevens Grand Daughter - Female 1 1900 - North Kensington, London, England
ABOVE FAMILY
Florence Warner Step daughter is Florence Ruth Warner born 1891
Elsie Warner is Elsie May Warner born 1893
Edith is Edith Emily Warner 1895
all above MMN Gurney all born North Kensington
Elsie Stevens G/dau is Elsie Alice Olive Stephens MMN Warner born 1899 North Kensington
Louisa Maud
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Baptism
All Saints Notting Hill
Elsie Alice Olive Stevens
06/08/1899
of Frederick George and Alice
13 Stoneleigh St
Occ Chints glazer
Marriage
St Helens Kensington
24/12/1898
Frederick George Stevens aged 21 Chintz Glazer of 491 Latimer Road father Alfred, Billiard maker
to
Alice Warner 18 father Henry Warner
witnesses George Henry Warner and Millie Shepherd
I believe that at a later date Alice died and he married
1902 St Olave
Frederick George Stevens to Florence Marina Greening
3 births found so far
Ethel Florence Stevens MMN Green 1904 Kensington
Percival Lionel Stevens MMN Greening 1906 Kensington
Horace Frederick 1909 MMN Greening born Portslade Sussex,
Might take you some time to fathom this out but I believe all of these Stevens males are related,
Louisa Maud
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Just to complete the marriages
Frederick George Stevens age 25 states he is a batchelor ? chintz glazer father Alfred Frederick Dec
to
Florence Marina Greening aged 20 father William Charles
at St Ann's Bermondsey
on 21/09/1902
address of both 79 Galleywall Road
witnesses J fryatt and L Watts
Greening was MMN of Ethel Florence, Percival Lionel and Horace Frederick
I also believe that Elizabeth Gurney is related (MMN to Warner children )
Louisa Maud
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Baptism
All Saints Notting Hill
Elsie Alice Olive Stevens
06/08/1899
of Frederick George and Alice
13 Stoneleigh St
Occ Chints glazer
possible death Elsie Alice Olive Stevens
(married D Pawson 1922 Southwark)
Elsie Alice O PAWSON born 3 June 1899
Death quarter 3 Death year 1981
District Worthing County Sussex Volume 18 Page 2260
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Hi
So from this Elsie with cooper/Warner’s is not Elsie to John and Emily. So Elsie is still missing, is it likely she was just missed from the census?
But Louisa, you do think there is a connection? What makes you think this?
Thanks again for all your support