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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => London and Middlesex => England => London & Middlesex Lookup Requests => Topic started by: aclel on Monday 14 October 19 15:16 BST (UK)
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Hi,
I'm trying to find an entry on the 1881 census for either Charles or Sarah Anderson.
I have them on the 1871 census at John Street, Mile End Old Town, Tower Hamlets. Id like to see if they are still there.
I have no idea how to search for the address on the 1881 census as the names aren't throwing up any returns and the dates and places of birth aren't proving to be too accurate!
If anyone can offer advice I'd be really grateful. I have a subscription to Ancestry but not any others.
Thanks
Ali
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Hi Ali...Can give a rough idea of where and when they were born as the names are quite common.
Carol
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1871
Charles was born c1817 Swaffham (dittoed as Essex)
Sarah (age 29) bn c1842 bn Southampton, Hampshire
also Auguste Roll age 12 bn City, Middlesex
Do you have either of them in 1891
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John Street, Mile End is in the region of RG11/485 f26 p46 .
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Have you looked for a death for Charles? Maybe he died before 1881 and Sarah remarried.
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also Auguste Roll age 12 bn City, Middlesex
Just for background
Sarah Roles marriage 11 Jan 1863 Hackney
father Ambrose Roles in case there is another marriage for her
Augusta Ellen Mullen Roles - no MMN
Jun 1859 Poplar
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Hi Ali...Can give a rough idea of where and when they were born as the names are quite common.
Carol
They were both born in Essex. I have her year of birth as 1839 and his as 1817.
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Have you looked for a death for Charles? Maybe he died before 1881 and Sarah remarried.
There is a chance she remarried and new name is Walker as her daughter, Augusta Ellen Roles had the surname Walker when she married in 1879. She also had no one to authorise the marriage as she was under 21.
It is all a bit of a mystery...
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Just posting the previous thread for background & to avoid duplication of effort:
www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=819558.0
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Going backwards
1841 census Stanstead MountFitchet Essex
Ambrose Roles 40 (transcribed as Rober) shoemaker
Mary 35
Christopher 18
William 15
Carolina 11
SARAH 8
Mary 2
all born county
Sarah Anderson 1871 census age 29 s/b 39
I went by the witness at her wedding Rhoda Marie Roles
1861 Bow St Mary Middlesex
Ambrose Roles 62 born Great Hallingbury Essex
Mary 60 wife born Farnham Essex
Mary Ann daughter 20 born Stanstead Essex
Rhoda Maria daughter 15 born Bishops Stortford Herts
Augusta Ellen Mylae? Role granddaughter 2
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Going backwards
1841 census Stanstead MountFitchet Essex
Ambrose Roles 40 (transcribed as Rober) shoemaker
Mary 35
Christopher 18
William 15
Carolina 11
SARAH 8
Mary 2
all born county
Sarah Anderson 1871 census age 29 s/b 39
I went by the witness at her wedding Rhoda Marie Roles
1861 Bow St Mary Middlesex
Ambrose Roles 62 born Great Hallingbury Essex
Mary 60 wife born Farnham Essex
Mary Ann daughter 20 born Stanstead Essex
Rhoda Maria daughter 15 born Bishops Stortford Herts
Augusta Ellen Mylae? Role granddaughter 2
The Augusta Ellen Role is the daughter of Sarah Roles/Anderson. She's in the 1881 census living with her mother sarah and Charles. She was married in 1879 (to Thomas Chandless), but I'm trying to find out what happened to her mother and stepfather, Sarah and Charles Anderson. ???
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Ive found a possible match...but not 100%
106 Usher Road, Bow, London.
Charles Anderson 45 (b1836) General labourer born Waltham Abbey, Essex
Sarah Anderson 40 (b1840) born Middlesex
Frederick Anderson 2 born Old Ford, Middlesex
Margaret Fawsdirk visitor
Reuben Fawsdirk visitors son.
What do you think?
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The census for 1871 has Charles Andersons place of birth as Essex Swaffham
The 1881 has his place of birth as Waltham Abbey, Essex.
Is it similar enough to be a mistake?
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Hi what father did Augusta give at her marriage to Thomas Chandless, as I see from the two children on 1891 they show mothers maiden name Walker.
Keyboard86
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Hi what father did Augusta give at her marriage to Thomas Chandless, as I see from the two children on 1891 they show mothers maiden name Walker.
Keyboard86
With regards to Augusta, Ive no idea where the WALKER surname comes from. Her original surname was Roles. She kept the surname Roles after her mother married Charles Anderson but sometime between 1871 and 1879 she changes her surname to Walker and changes her middle name from Ellen Mullen to Ellinor.
When she married Thomas Chandless she didn't give her fathers name. In fact he had to sign a licence a few days beforehand to swear there wasn't anyone to authorise the marriage as she was under age.
When she later marries William McBurnie (in 1901) she puts her fathers name as Charles Mellon (Barrister). That's a whole other mystery to solve!!!
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as her daughter, Augusta Ellen Roles had the surname Walker when she married in 1879. She also had no one to authorise the marriage as she was under 21.
Sorry I thought Augusta was down as a niece of Sarah in 1871 not a daughter.
Have you got the birth for Augusta to confirm her sister Mary Ann wasn't her mother? Apologies if you already have this. I remember the names from another topic so will go refresh myself.
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I linked to the previous topic at reply #8. Lots of risk of duplication here.
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as her daughter, Augusta Ellen Roles had the surname Walker when she married in 1879. She also had no one to authorise the marriage as she was under 21.
Sorry I thought Augusta was down as a niece of Sarah in 1871 not a daughter.
Have you got the birth for Augusta to confirm her sister Mary Ann wasn't her mother? Apologies if you already have this. I remember the names from another topic so will go refresh myself.
Yes, her mother is definitely Sarah Roles. I've got the workhouse register and the birth certificate. Not sure why she's down as niece... family trait as Augusta later puts her daughter down as her sister in various census.
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I linked to the previous topic at reply #8. Lots of risk of duplication here.
Thank you. I agree, I thought this look up would be simple which is why I didn't put it on the original Walker one. That might have been a mistake :-\
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Yes - don’t worry about it but generally it is best to keep related queries on one thread (or, if there is a good reason to open up a new thread on a different board, provide a link to the original one right at the start) to help those helping you. Any census lookup requires basic information not just as to names but also rough birthdates and birthplaces if known - often the best source for this is another census which is already known about. If Rootschatters don’t realise relevant contextual information has already been found elsewhere, they will spend unnecessary time and effort hunting for it.