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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => London and Middlesex => Topic started by: louisa maud on Friday 11 October 19 12:07 BST (UK)
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Can some kind RC do me a favour please, I do not have worldwide sub but I have been searching for
CHARLES WALTER GRANATH born 1877 London
he disappeared when his wife died in 1906 and a child a few years after, wasn't on 1911 or 1939, I have asked about him on here before with no luck
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today I have found on Ancestry the following
Publication 03/10/1950 Dunkirk New York Observer Charles Granath
I would much appreciate if someone can pass this info over to me please
Thank you in anticipation
Louisa Maud
PREVIOUS REQUEST
Charles Walter Granath born Holborn born 1877 of Henric (Henry) and Elizabeth Thompson
Charles Granath married Florence Tully 1902, Florence died in 1906 3 weeks after Charles was born
Issue from this marriage
Florence born 1903 died 1912
Lilian born 1904 died 1907
Charles born 1906 died North Allerton Yorks 1977, although he never married he is purported to have had a daughter possibly called Joan who may have been born in Bedale
I have searched for a death for Charles Walter born 1877 to no avail, he does not appear on the 1911 census and his 2 surviving children were living with grandparents at 1911, his name was also shown as -------- Granath on Florence's death cert when she died in hospital 1912, he seems to have just disappeared
This has been put on Rootschat before but now that more records are being released I am trying again.
I wonder if this poor man, bereft of wife and 2 of his children went away, he may have died alone and unknown.
Louisa Maud
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Hi
Not from Ancestry because I don't have a sub and I can't find it on their website anyway but the date and paper you want
The case of Charles Granath 72 of Ashville Bay currently charged with first degree assault will not be presented until latter in the term,according to officials.Granath is accused of firing a shotgun blast last Saturday night.The pellets struck and badly injured Solon Sprinchorn 38 of Jamestown who is still reported to be in a critical condition.
The Bradford Era the day before
Gives a bit more info.'Grassy'/Granath a recluse argued with Sprinchorn about the beaching of a boat on land in dispute.Sprinchorn was a heating and plumbing contractor.They both lived on Chaut auqua Lake .Granath is described as a hermit known as Grassy,now 73 years old.
There is also a piece in the Somerset Daily American Oct 2nd almost the same but Sprinchorn had wounds from his chin down to his abdomen.
Sprinchorn must have survived because he is still advertising in the paper in 1957 but i can't see any outcome of the assault.
Sorry but I just had a look at the 1940 US census and Charles Granath was from Sweden according to that. 61 years single and Nationalised.
Of course he could be lying.
Ciderdrinker
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I think the fellow in the newspapers must be Carl (Charles) Hilding GRANATH b Sweden ~1878 to Andrew and Emma.
The family seemed to have been in the Chautauqua area since at least 1900.
Maureen
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HUGE, HUGE thanks to you both, I had hopes of this being "my Charles Granath" Charles father was Swedish and there was an uncle Carl, brother of Henric (Henry) who died about 1881 ish in England, back to the drawing board I guess, I hope I might find him on 1921, can't wait for that
Many thanks
Louisa Maud
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Just to add to the information
Charles Walter Granath was born 27/04/1877, Saffron Hill Holborn London
I am just hoping he might turn up on the next census 1921
His only remaining child Charles born 1906 was very evasive as well, he appeared on 1911 and then not again till I found his death 1977, once again I have no idea where he was in between,
And so the search goes on
Many thanks for your interest
Louisa Maud
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I am going to call this COMPLETED and wait the next census
Thank you for your response
Louisa Maud
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Florence born 1904 and Charles Granath born 1906 were both shown as being in the workhouse Jan 1912, their discharge is 30/12/1912 for one child and 24/02/1912 for the other, it stated in the last column
"by whose order"
I assume this is the "removal details", it was by order to St Giles Home
Is it possible to find any records online for St Giles Home
Hi LM
You were asking about this
Is the St Giles Home actually the Receiving Home for Children, Broad Street (St Giles in the Fields & St George Bloomsbury)?
We have a creed register for Broad Street
Admission of Florence Granath, 31 Jan 1912, and Charles Granath, 24 Feb 1912
Admitted from Holborn
Both Discharged 12 March 1912 (to Holborn)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS2G-19W5-G?i=358&cat=1389833
We also have a Register of Children Chargeable to the Holborn Union at the Receiving Home, 53 Broad Street W.C.
Says the Granath children were sent to Schools on that date (12 March)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS1Y-L9P8-6?cat=1389833
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City Road Workhouse creed register seems to confirm the Granath children were admitted from their census address, though it says 14 Penton Rise here.
Also on ancestry
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS1B-32CT?i=160&cat=1389833
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Mitcham is the place.
Register of Children Chargeable at the Holborn Union Schools, Mitcham, Surrey
Here are the entries for Florence and Charles Granath.
Dated 12 March
Two images
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS1Y-2W4F-X?i=681&cat=1389833
Says deserted by father. Also that he got 2 months hard labour for it? :o
Florence at least was boarded out at Norfolk in 1913. See next post
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It was Charles who was boarded out to Norfolk, 19.4.13
Looked at the wrong line!
Good job I could check the schools creed register here
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS1Y-K95D-Z?i=576&cat=1389833
So poor Florence was sent to the Grove Hospital, Tooting, 26.9.12, and died there two days later (it even gives the time)
Death
Dec 1912 Wandsworth 1d 640
Granath, Florence
age 9
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Burial of Florence at Streatham Cemetery, 2 Oct 1912
Age 9
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QGZT-VS94
Charles born 1906 was very evasive as well, he appeared on 1911 and then not again till I found his death 1977, once again I have no idea where he was in between
We've lost him in Norfolk at the moment :)
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Issue from this marriage
Florence born 1903 died 1912
Her date of birth was given as 12.9.03
Can confirm this here, and she was born at 140 St John(s) Street.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS1B-W9M4-Q?i=676&cat=1389833
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Issue from this marriage
Lilian born 1904 died 1907
Lilian was born 25 Sep 1904.
Same address in Clerkenwell as Florence.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS1B-W999-W?i=1086&cat=1389833
Presumably is the 2 year old who died in Walthamstow and buried at Chingford Mount Cemetery.
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And Charles Granath at 140 St. John Street in the 1905 electoral register
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-89FL-MHN6?i=344&cc=2228170
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Possible for Charles junior in the free index to the 1939 Register?
Charles Graneth in Thirn, Bedale R.D., Yorkshire (North Riding)
No birth year given
Says Isaac Cranston is also on this record.
Is also Graneth on ancestry, but they have transcribed the correct d-o-b.
Possibly then says Graneth on the original :)
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Charles born 1906 eventually turned up in North Allerton, 1940's, this poor lad must have been farmed out somewhere, mother died just after he was born, fell over I think, apperplexy?, so by 1911 his mother, and grandparents parents had both died, father disappeared, he was living with a step grandfather and his older daughter, what a shame they were in the workhouse/ school, in the end columb it states St Giles, wonder if it was a home
I will dig out death certs I have for this sad family
Louisa Maud
Just caught your message John, yes that is him on 1939
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Granath is Swedish and my gt grandfather came to England about 1870 ish
Louisa Maud
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Jonw65
Typical, I know I have the certs and more information on Charles his wife and his children, can't put my hand to them right now
1911 the 2 children remaining after mother died 1906 were living with
14 Penton residences Kings Cross
Thomas Loader 52 W born Hoxton,
Edith Loader dau 23 Clerkenwell
Florence Granath g/dau 7 Clerkenwell
Charles Granath g/son 5 Clerkenwell
Mr Loader I believe to be Matthew Daniel Loader who married Elizabeth Ellis/Thompson 1898, the childs grandmother, Elizabeth died in 1910
Mr Loader died in 1925
These 2 children were living with what I can only call a step granddad, father had disappeared it would seem
I have been sorting out certificates, I should be ashamed of myself as some are not in the folder they should be, Florence Granath death is amongst them, but I know her death was shown as father ******* Granath, will check who registered her death, would appear they didn't know her father's christian name, how sad is that?
What a sad family
You have given me a wealth of information jon and huge thank you
Louisa Maud
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Hi LM
Ah, so Thompson ties in.
We have Chas Granath on ancestry in London, England, Selected Poor Law Removal and Settlement Records, 1698-1930.
This is Shoreditch in 1906. It says he was taken out (from where exactly I don't know) by his grandmother, 67 Byron Rd, Hoe St, Walthamstow
That is the address on the burial of his sister Lilian at Chingford Mount in 1907.
Walthamstow directory for 1905 is on ancestry (London, England, City Directories, 1736-1943)
Image 211 has Byron Road with a Mrs Thompson at number 67.
The 1907 directory on ancestry (if you have uk ancestry is here) has Thomas Loader listed at 67 Byron (image 222)
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01pcg/
John
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Hi LM
Ah, so Thompson ties in.
We have Chas Granath on ancestry in London, England, Selected Poor Law Removal and Settlement Records, 1698-1930.
This is Shoreditch in 1906. It says he was taken out (from where exactly I don't know) by his grandmother, 67 Byron Rd, Hoe St, Walthamstow, YES, THAT IS MY GRANDMOTHER AND HER FAMILY
That is the address on the burial of his sister Lilian at Chingford Mount in 1907.
Walthamstow directory for 1905 is on ancestry (London, England, City Directories, 1736-1943)
Image 211 has Byron Road with a Mrs Thompson at number 67.yes, Elizabeth Granath/Ellis/ Loader's mother
The 1907 directory on ancestry (if you have uk ancestry is here) has Thomas Loader listed at 67 Byron (image 222)
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01pcg/
Making it quick Jon, waiting for an appt at a clinic for my husband who may have had the dreaded virus since Good Friday, what took him so long?, stubborness
Louisa Maud
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Hi
Good luck to you both at the clinic.
Not sure that we can dig up very much more now. As you say, it's really a wait for the 1921 census to be released - you should at least get hold of Charles junior in that, hopefully in Norfolk.
John
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Thank you John, results a chest infection, not a word about the virus, in fact Dr hardly said a word, given him antibiotics and sent him off to the local hospital for an x-ray, worrying times
You have done some fantastic digging John, huge thanks
Louisa Maud
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Quite by accident trying to close loose ends I have found a baptism for Charles born 1906, he was baptised in Norfolk 1921, occ shown as silversmith? aged 15, at 15 a silversmith?, he was living as a border with a family, his mother died a few days after his birth and his father, probably distraught at having his wife and 2 of his children die just disappeared, between 1912 and 1921 this lad is a mystery, I did find him on 1939 and his death , so I suppose that is all I can find on this youngster
LM
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Charles is in Watlington in the 1921 census. Did he have an occupation, or at school?
There are a lot of question marks on that baptism record!
(Born) 18 March 1907 (?)
Parents names ? Graneth
Abode Watlington (from Holborn)
Quality, Trade, or Profession Silversmith (?)
I think it's a stab at what Charles' father did for a living. Perhaps Charles thought he was a silversmith.
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I have his father right up to the time he seems to have just vanished,
Charles is GRANATH, it is Swedish
Date of birth right, or might be 1906
He was born in London, so that is right
15 surely not he wasn't a silversmith
He was a border in Watlington
1939 he was a farm labourer
He was on 1911 and I think he went off to a school, between 1911 and 1921 he is a mystery
Charles mother died 2 weeks after he was born, I doubt this poor lad ever saw his father
I know this is him, I know every Granath born to my gt grandfather and have traced them all, Charles and his father have been my brick walls, never found his father after about 1910 ish
Thank you John, it was you I think you said he was in Norfolk .
LM