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General => Armed Forces => World War One => Topic started by: Edith reeve on Thursday 10 October 19 11:51 BST (UK)
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Hi, I’m trying to find out more about my great great uncle who served as a sgt in the 14th batt Manchester regiment in WW1. I have his enlistment papers and his medal card but can’t find anything else. His Regimental number was 13816 and he enlisted on November 9th 1914.
I was told that he was shot in the face, it went through his lower jaw and cheek, he survived but was left disfigured and with difficulty speaking.
I’ve been searching for days and have not found anything to corroborate his injuries or find his discharge papers. If anyone could help I’d be very appreciative!
Thank you
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His name, DoB would be useful
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🤦🏻♀️ Lol sorry!!
It’s Evan John Lloyd, dob 4/9/1892
Dod 16/5/1945
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As you can see from his record there is nothing to indicate he received any wounds.
If he had it would be on his record.
I would also say with such a serious wound he would have been entitled to a pension & there is no record of him applying for one.
It often happens that a wound or injury is assumed to be from the effects of war.
It reminds me of a recent post where a man was assumed to have lost his leg WW1 only to discover it was from a motorcycle accident in the 1920's.
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His Sevice records are on Findmypast Evan JohnLloyd b.1892 No. 14/13816 Manchester Regiment — Wo 363 - First World War Service Records 'Burnt Documents'
As you can see they are listed as Burnt. Don't know how much they will tell you.
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FindMyPast has a very brief record of him being admitted to 51st Field Ambulance on 3 August 1916 with a wound to his right hand. He was then a Corporal serving with C company, 12 Battalion, Manchester Regiment.
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Strange his record on Ancestry has no mention of a hand wound.
3/8/16 they went over the top from Orchard trench so must have been that assault.
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Fold 3 apparently has a disability pension record for him.
Take the free trial? https://www.fold3.com/image/643898729/?xid=1022
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To add to jim1's post. You have his discharge papers assuming you have the documents from Findmypast. He was wounded in August 1916 (record on FindMyPast), gun shot wound to the right hand while with 12 Manchesters. He must have returned to duty as this did not result in returning home.
That said, he did have three spells in France, Jul 1915 to Feb 1916, May 1916 to Jan 1917 and then Jul 1917 to Dec 1917 which may indicate some other wounding or sickness. As he wasn't released to the reserve until March 1919 and his discharge was a normal one and he doesn't have a Silver War Badge, his discharge wasn't for a disability.
There is though a pension card record for him on Ancestry under the Fold 3 area which I don't have a sub for. That suggests a claim was made (there is reference to it in his papers) and may have additional information.
You need a sub to Ancestry and Fold 3 to see the pension card or can go through the Western Front Association (if you join)
MaxD
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Thanks everyone. I can’t really afford to increase my subscription atm so I’ll see about the free trial.
It’s strange that he enlisted to the 14th battalion but his records then say the 12th, was that usual do you think?
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It was quite common for men to transfer from one battalion to another, sometimes even changing Regiments.
Men went where they were most needed.
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To add to jim1's post. You have his discharge papers assuming you have the documents from Findmypast. No I have t got a copy of his discharge papers. I’ve not got a subscription to find my past 😞
MaxD
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I’ve not got a subscription to find my past
The same file of service records is on Ancestry. You can see from the "statement of the services" that he transferred from 14th to 12th and off to the BEF in July 1915, then to Depot in February 1916, back to 14th in April 1916, then back to the 12th and off to the BEF again in May 1916.
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The 14th were a reserve and later training battalion in England.
MaxD