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Title: ww1 killed relative
Post by: waswigg on Sunday 06 October 19 17:18 BST (UK)
Hi i have found in my family tree that 6 brothers all enlisted in ww1 i saw a mention on ancestry that they were in a newspaper called The Herald He was killed the 4th October 1918.
2 brothers were killed Charles and Ernest lissome it does say in the paper only one was killed but in fact it was 2the other 4 brothers were injured
Hoping someone can help me find this paper so I can get a copy
many thanks waswigg
Title: Re: ww1 killed relative
Post by: ShaunJ on Sunday 06 October 19 17:33 BST (UK)
I cannot find any records at all for a Charles or Ernest Lissome. Have you spelled the surname correctly?
Title: Re: ww1 killed relative
Post by: waswigg on Sunday 06 October 19 17:40 BST (UK)
sorry its Lissimore,charles killed in france ernest killed in Italy
waswigg
Title: Re: ww1 killed relative
Post by: ShaunJ on Sunday 06 October 19 17:55 BST (UK)
..and do you mean 1918 rather than 1919? There's a CWGC death for Charles Lissemore (not Lissimore) on 4 October 1918.
Title: Re: ww1 killed relative
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 06 October 19 19:34 BST (UK)
UK, Soldiers Died in the Great War, 1914-1919 - Ernest Lessimore - born 1898 - died 27 October 1918 Italy - enlisted Worcester - territorial force - Royal Horse Artillery and Royal Field Artillery - Regimental Number 830688 -
War Diaries (France, Belgium, Germany) Collection - Royal Horse Artillery and Royal Field Artillery P110 War Diaries (Gallipoli) Collection - Royal Horse Artillery and Royal Field Artillery P110

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/21544338

parents Henry and Mary Ann.................

Register of Solidiers effects - names Mary A as the next of kin.

Have you perused the 24 ancestry tree's to see if other contacts have the neespaper article. ?

Sandra
Title: Re: ww1 killed relative
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 06 October 19 19:37 BST (UK)
UK, Soldiers Died in the Great War, 1914-1919 - Charles Lissimore - born 1893- Dudley Worcester - Death Place France and Flanders - Private - Regiment - Durham Light Infantry Battalion 29th -  Battalion Regimental Number101767 - killed in action - 4 October 1918 - Formerly 14406, Lancs Fus.

List of Soldiers Effects (4 October 1917) names father William

Parents William and Elizabeth.........

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/11950541

Sandra

Title: Re: ww1 killed relative
Post by: KGarrad on Sunday 06 October 19 19:45 BST (UK)
According to CWGC.org:

Ernest Lessimore, died age 31.
"A" Battery, 241st Brigade, Royal Field Artillery
Son of Henry and Mary Ann Lessimore, of Worcester.

Charles Lissemore, died age 26
29th Battalion, Durham Light Infantry
Son of the late William and Elizabeth Lissemore.

So, not brothers?
Title: Re: ww1 killed relative
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 06 October 19 20:12 BST (UK)


Charles Lissiemore - 1901 census Dudley, Staffordshire, England,

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XS7C-SNX

and 1911 - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWWV-2J3

Sandra
Title: Re: ww1 killed relative
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 06 October 19 20:15 BST (UK)
   
Ernest 1891 Worcester Worcestershire.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:7TKQ-TT2

Ernest Lessimore - 1901 Worcester, Worcestershire,

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XS3M-3TQ

1901 Worcester - RG13; Piece 2780 Folio: 70 Page 24

Henry Lessimore 48 Mary A Lessimore   53 Ernest Lessimore   13


Ernest - 1911 census Worcester Worcestershire.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7BM-YYZ

Sandra

Title: Re: ww1 killed relative
Post by: carom on Sunday 06 October 19 21:05 BST (UK)
The"Find a grave" site has an entry for Charles Lissemore, written in 2009 by Adrian Lissamore, which reads " born Charles Lissamore of Dudley, 1 of 6 sons of William and Elizabeth Lissemore who fought in the Great War.
It is listed on the Tyne Cot memorial in Zonnebeke.
Title: Re: ww1 killed relative
Post by: philipsearching on Sunday 06 October 19 22:10 BST (UK)
Hi i have found in my family tree that 6 brothers all enlisted in ww1 i saw a mention on ancestry that they were in a newspaper called The Herald

If this is the Worcester Herald I can't see it online.
The British Newspaper Archive only has it up to 1890.

Microfilm of the Herald is available at the Worcester Archive
http://www.worcestershire.gov.uk/info/20019/archives_and_research

I think Sandra's suggestion is your best starting point:
Have you perused the 24 ancestry tree's to see if other contacts have the neespaper article. ?

Sandra

Philip
Title: Re: ww1 killed relative
Post by: waswigg on Monday 07 October 19 09:27 BST (UK)
Sorry I put 1919 but i mis-typed it should be 1918,all brothers 6 joined diff Regts 2 died Charles in France and Ernest in Italy can't find Ernest records
waswigg
Title: Re: ww1 killed relative
Post by: waswigg on Monday 07 October 19 09:45 BST (UK)
Does any one visit the Worcester Archives who might pick me up a copy of the lads as all 6 were mentioned I remember it was a saturday 1918 page 7 that the paper was mentioned it was the Worcester Herald,I would be very grateful if any one could pick me up a copy as I live in Somerset
many thanks waswigg
Title: Re: ww1 killed relative
Post by: whiteout7 on Monday 07 October 19 09:54 BST (UK)
There is another Ernest though ….. this one has a medal card - spelling different


Medal card of Lissemore, Ernest
Corps
Regiment No
Rank
Worcestershire Regiment
29976
Private
Royal Munster Fusiliers
G/40756
Private
Date:
1914-1920
Held by:
The National Archives, Kew.

So this Ernest might well of survived WW1, who were this Ernest's parents?

https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/british-army-medal-index-cards-1914-1920/

As for WW1 records many of them were actually destroyed in the Blitz, so a medal car might be all you can find for a surviving man



Title: Re: ww1 killed relative
Post by: waswigg on Monday 07 October 19 09:59 BST (UK)
Ernests parents were William and Elizabeth and he died in italy
waswigg
Title: Re: ww1 killed relative
Post by: waswigg on Monday 07 October 19 10:15 BST (UK)
Gnr Ernest Lissimore (Lissemore) 830688 RFA died 27 10 1918 in Italy
waswigg
Title: Re: ww1 killed relative
Post by: carom on Monday 07 October 19 10:27 BST (UK)
If you have an Ancestry sub, the newspaper article you want has been put on there, seems to be titled "Six sons in WW1"
Title: Re: ww1 killed relative
Post by: ShaunJ on Monday 07 October 19 10:42 BST (UK)
So it's the Dudley Worcester Herald, November 16th 1918 page 7 (https://www.ancestry.co.uk/mediaui-viewer/tree/3998436/person/-319872590/media/d46a4622-d793-46d2-8ad5-fe0df95b5795?_phsrc=yGf37700&_phstart=successSource)

Title: Re: ww1 killed relative
Post by: waswigg on Monday 07 October 19 10:48 BST (UK)
sorry its the worcester herald
waswigg
Title: Re: ww1 killed relative
Post by: ShaunJ on Monday 07 October 19 11:02 BST (UK)
Its should be available on microfilm at The Hive http://www.thehiveworcester.org/

http://www.worcestershire.gov.uk/download/downloads/id/5520/newspapers_on_microfilm.pdf
Title: Re: ww1 killed relative
Post by: carom on Monday 07 October 19 11:24 BST (UK)
There is some additional info about Charles here:
http://www.rememberthefallen.co.uk/casualty/lissemore-charles/
Title: Re: ww1 killed relative
Post by: waswigg on Monday 07 October 19 11:52 BST (UK)
I am beginning to think Ernest  died after the war so i have had a thorough check on the details in my tree.
I have come across his death in 1974 in Sandwell,does any one agree
waswigg
Title: Re: ww1 killed relative
Post by: Dundee on Monday 07 October 19 11:55 BST (UK)
Gnr Ernest Lissimore (Lissemore) 830688 RFA died 27 10 1918 in Italy
waswigg

This man was aged 31, the son of Henry and Mary Ann, so not your Ernest.

https://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/640758/lessimore,-ernest/

Debra  :)
Title: Re: ww1 killed relative
Post by: waswigg on Tuesday 08 October 19 10:23 BST (UK)
no,I am going on the assumption that he lived trough the war and went to sandwell.
I will soon find wether i am right or wrong
waswigg
Title: Re: ww1 killed relative
Post by: whiteout7 on Wednesday 09 October 19 09:11 BST (UK)
I am beginning to think Ernest  died after the war so i have had a thorough check on the details in my tree.
I have come across his death in 1974 in Sandwell,does any one agree
waswigg

I think your Ernest survived the war! You would need a death certificate to see if the parents names matched Charles Lissimores parents, William and Elizabeth.

He might even be in this newspaper article
"Mr. Ernest Lissimore a tireless Quest for West Bromwich history
Mr. Ernest Lissimore a tireless Quest for West Bromwich history. registers of All Saints' Church"
Monday 20 March 1967
Birmingham Daily Post

Was Ernest Lissimore married to Jennie E Whitehouse in 1914 in West Bromwich?

Jennie Lissimore is buried in Heath Lane cemetery in Sandwell
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/147792301/jennie-elizabeth-lissimore

Added they are both in the 1939 register on Findmypast living at 9 Ebrington Road, West Bromwich C.B



Title: Re: ww1 killed relative
Post by: KGarrad on Wednesday 09 October 19 10:36 BST (UK)
I think your Ernest survived the war! You would need a death certificate to see if the parents names matched Charles Lissimores parents, William and Elizabeth.

There are no parents named on Death Certificates from England & Wales ;D