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General => The Common Room => Topic started by: Rod12345 on Saturday 05 October 19 15:55 BST (UK)
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Hi, I am fairly new to Geneology so am still finding my way around the procedures. May I ask a ? Please...there are some twins that were either stillborn or did not live long or both. I have looked on findmypast and got some references to order birth and death certificates. However have been told that if stillborn they may not have had any paperwork, strange I can see the reference numbers though, any help would be appreciated. Ty.
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If they were stillborn they would not appear on the GRO indexes that you can view online, they would however show if they were born alive.
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What is the year? Still births were only registered from 1 July 1927, and are not available online.
Stan
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If you have found the births and deaths on a "normal" index then I do believe they were not stillborn as they wouldn't appear on that index but am sure someone will correct if this is wrong.
Do you have the birth quarters and death quarters to give an indication how old they were?
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What is the year? Still births were only registered from 1 July 1927, and are not available online.
Stan
Stan. 1925
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If they were stillborn they would not appear on the GRO indexes that you can view online, they would however show if they were born alive.
So just to clarify if they are in the gro index which they are there will be certificates available. Family thought they were stillborn, they went into either a mass grave or were put into other people’s coffins which I understand that was done but maybe that would only be stillborn? There do not appear to be graves according to cemetery records. All a bit unknown really. Maybe best to send off for 1 and see what happens??
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If you have found the births and deaths on a "normal" index then I do believe they were not stillborn as they wouldn't appear on that index but am sure someone will correct if this is wrong.
Do you have the birth quarters and death quarters to give an indication how old they were?
They were born 1925 and both died in 1st quarter so they have died within 3 months.
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If they were born alive, even for a short time, then the birth and death would have to be registered.
Stan
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If they were stillborn they would not appear on the GRO indexes that you can view online, they would however show if they were born alive.
The findmypast site shows the volume and page details. So guess could Oder certs.
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If they were born alive, even for a short time, then the birth and death would have to be registered.
Stan
Ty. Very helpful. This is a great site for advice.
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My gt grandparents baptised a son whose birth was never registered, he died at a few weeks old and his death was registered. I have his death cert.
This was their first infant death and they didn't make that mistake again.
From 1911 census live births 14, still alive 5, died 9. None of the children that died made their first birthday. The 5 surviving lived long lives.
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My gt grandparents baptised a son whose birth was never registered, he died at a few weeks old and his death was registered. I have his death cert.
This was their first infant death and they didn't make that mistake again.
From 1911 census live births 14, still alive 5, died 9. None of the children that died made their first birthday. The 5 surviving lived long lives.
Ty. Very helpful, so looks like I might try and get certificates. Will try one of the twins and see what happens. This gets expensive !!
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You said you found them on FindMyPast - please don't order from there or any other subscription site, get them from the official GRO site otherwise you will be paying more than you need. As the births are after 1918 you will have to get paper copies at £11, but if you've also found the death certificates you can order them for £7 as a pdf version.
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/Login.asp
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FindMyPast send you off (correctly) to the GRO site, and you pay their standard fee.
Ancestry stick a very hefty profit on top.
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FindMyPast send you off (correctly) to the GRO site, and you pay their standard fee.
Ancestry stick a very hefty profit on top.
Good ole ancestry.
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My ancestor gave birth to premature twins in 1863. They were born in the evening. One died that evening. Her sister died the day after birth. Later that day, their grandmother registered their births and a friend or neighbour who had been present in the house registered the deaths.
I don't know where the babies were buried. The family were cotton operatives in Lancashire at the time of the Lancashire Cotton Famine. A high proportion of the population of the town were unemployed and receiving poor relief. The mother of the twins was 19 and unmarried. There was unlikely to have been money to spare to bury babies. They may have been placed in another person's coffin and/or buried in a common grave.
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You said you found them on FindMyPast - please don't order from there or any other subscription site, get them from the official GRO site otherwise you will be paying more than you need. As the births are after 1918 you will have to get paper copies at £11, but if you've also found the death certificates you can order them for £7 as a pdf version.
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/Login.asp
FindMyPast links you directly to the gro website to order unlike the other sites that add a contribution for themselves