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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Norfolk => England => Norfolk Lookup Requests => Topic started by: bermyboy on Friday 04 October 19 08:46 BST (UK)
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Can I ask someone who has access to East Anglian Pedigrees Vol 13 to look up the Riches alias Poynter pedigree (or Poynter alias Riches) and send it to me. I think it is page 186 or thereabouts. I hope I'm not infringing anyone's copyright rules by asking, but I can't get a copy of this book in my library system, and to be honest I don't want to buy a second hand copy to get two pages of pedigree. I'm stuck at John Riches born about 1735 in or about Ashby, maybe. He married at Arminghall in 1760 to Mary Middleton, had childers in Yelverton/Poringland, died Poringland 1808, buried Bergh Apton. Left a will (Norfolk Sources). I'm hoping the published pedigree, which I know crosses Yelverton, Ashby & Norwich, may give me a clue. I know I shouldn't be going backwards, or is it forwards, for genealogy, but I've been stuck for quite a while. Any assistance is most appreciated. Thanks Wayne
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Hi Wayne
PM me your email address
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Hi Yokel,
Thanks very much for that offer. I've tried to send a PM but it tells me that your inbox is full. You are obviously keeping busy. I'll try to send it again later. ;D ;D
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email on it's way ;)
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A very big thank you to The Yokel. He sent me a printed pedigree which covers this family from 1550 to 1730. The last person mentioned on the pedigree, John Riches bapt. Carlton 1733 is my suspected ancestor. I have what I think is his marriage to Mary Middleton at Arminghall in 1760 and them having seven children in Great Poringland from 1762-1776, his death in Great Poringland in 1808 (buried Bergh Apton - 73 yrs old) and his will of 1808 (Norfolk Sources), plus the wills of two of his sons (Henry 1847) and William (1849), and two removal certificates for his sons William (from Alburgh 1820) and Samuel from a Suffolk parish in 1796. I can't yet prove categorically that the John Riches of Carlton is definitely mine, but I think very likely. Hopefully rechecking the old published pedigree might help. Again, thanks Yokel :)
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You're welcome
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Hi everyone !
I have traced ancestors back as far as John Riches who married Alice Underwood in Yelverton on 5 August 1576 and was buried there on 7 January 1621.
I have not succeeded in getting back any further, although I have just seen that the Norfolk Records Office have the will of a John Riches of Yelverton dated 1596 - could have been the above John's father I suppose.
Can anyone shed any light on the earlier Riches of Yelverton ?
Thank you
Martin
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Hi Martin,
Yelverton on FreeREG
John/Alice Riches Bapt a Daug Katheryne 19 May 1577
( she was buried 2 Dec 1579 Daug of John/Allis)
+ a Richard/Margarett Riches Bapt a Daug Katheryne 15 Dec 1567
John and Richard also both name a son Edmond/Edward
Margarett is buried 9 Mar 1611/2, RICHES Als POINTER Widow
Richard buried 11 Apr 1604, RICHES Alias POYNTER
Earliest burials on there are;
THOMAS Riches 2 Mar 1558/9 and KATERINA Riches 25 Mar 1559 Wife of Thomas
Interestingly a RICHARD Riches married Jone UNDERWOOD 6 Jul 1578
(Brothers marrying sisters?)
Trish :)
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Thank you Trish !
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Your welcome :)
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Hi Martin,
There are a good few records about John.
He deposed as a witness in a court case of 1595 (Owen Shepparde vs Richard Riches alias Poynter) - TNA
Again deposed in a case of 1614 (Ann Riches alias Poynter vs Elizabeth Riches, her stepmother - TNA.
He is mentioned in his fathers will of 1558 (Thomas Riches of Yelverton - NRO), and in his uncles will of 1561 (Jeffery Riches of Yelverton).
The marriage of his brother Richard to Joan Underwood is partly explained in the 1595 court case, and she appears not to be a sister of John's wife, probably a cousin. The whole Underwood family is a bit of a mystery, partly due to having no early parish records for Kirby Bedon, but Alice's father is probably the James Underwood, gentleman of Bixley, who was under-steward of Framingham manor.
Most interestingly, to me at least, is that John's grandfather, another John, was killed in the final battle of Kett's Rebellion in 1549, as shown in the manor court for Framingham manor held the Monday in the Feast of the apostles Simon & Jude, 28th October 1549 (TNA). Several other manorial tenants were also among those killed, along with about 2-3,000 others, though very few names have survived. I have a very good article about the rebellion in which John gets a mention, which is how I found the court record. His manorial lands, about 46 acres, passed to his son Thomas. I have recently received copies of two other courts of the same manor, archived at Arundel Castle, which houses the records of the Howard family, the Dukes of Norfolk, and the lords of Framingham manor in those days. The then lord was in the Tower of London at the time of the rebellion, having fallen fowl of Henry VIII, who had only died a year or two prior. The other courts say from whom John got his lands, or part of them. I'm still trying to translate the Latin of those records, which is arduous!!, but fun. Send me a pm with an email address and we can talk further. I'll be interested to know your line of descent. Regards
Wayne