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Some Special Interests => Travelling People => Topic started by: Erin87 on Thursday 03 October 19 14:24 BST (UK)
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Hi Everyone,
I was hoping for some help, I am trying to locate any Lindsay's or Lowder's from the Surrey area? I am researching a family that shows as Clara Lindsay and Lowder born 1883, there are stories of the family coming from Gypsies and by how hard I am finding it to locate the information I suspect this is true.
I hoping someone has heard of these families and has history on them. Mainly seem to be around Croydon/Redhill/Dorking Surrey way.
Thanks!
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I can't find any record which matches the description of your people.
Can you point us directly to the census/ marriage/ birth or whatever?
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Sure, Clara appears on the 1901 census grove road redhill as Betsy Lindsay on Ancestry;
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/7814/SRYRG13_626_627-0128?pid=4724727&backurl=https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db%3Duki1901%26indiv%3Dtry%26h%3D4724727&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&usePUBJs=true&_ga=2.127602765.1735032930.1570023155-259554108.1516283032
I tried to attach a picture on the census but it did not like it. She is married to Thomas Card in 1901 in Croydon. Her father shows on the marriage certificate as Anthony Lindsay.
Most of her children show the maiden name as Lindsay - but this changes with Jesse Card 1910 where the maiden name changes to Lowder.
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So it's her parents on the page just below her?
What's the maiden name of Clara (b 1882 ) mother?
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That is what I can gather, I don't have the information but running my Theory I would say it is Lowder
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I have a relative by marriage in my tree in Wrotham in Kent in the 1861.
He is Peter Lowder (the name also shown as Louder in some records) who married my greatx3 aunt Sarah Cooley in 1859 in Plaxtol, Kent. His father is shown as James Lowder but I don't have the certificate (or an image at present) to say what father's occupation was (or Peter's own at the time of marriage).
His birthplace is transcribed on Ancestry as SLAFHAM, Sussex on the 1861, which - after a bit of consultation on the Sussex board here - we thought might be SLAUGHAM.
On the 1861 he is shown as a Marine Dealer, which is a travelling occupation, and my ancestor Sarah Cooley also came from a travelling family (made famous here on the Kent boards as the 'mysterious Cork(e) family'.)
He died in 1862
If this is of help or interest to you - happy to share more details.
I have done a bit more research on him, with (as I recall) some educated guesses.....
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Sorry, should have added - since your research mentions a slightly later date of 1883 - that Peter Lowder and Sarah Cooley had daughters Elizabeth Jane Lowder (1859-1938), Mary Ann Lowder (1861) and Alice (1865-1903)
I see that if I have her dates right, Alice can't have been Peter's daughter.
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That is what I can gather, I don't have the information but running my Theory I would say it is Lowder
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Is this Clara's birth registration at Reigate, Surrey?
LOWDER, CLARA (mothers maiden name was blank)
GRO Reference: 1882 J Quarter in REIGATE Volume 02A Page 164
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"Bridget Lowder, of Grove Road, Redhill, was summoned for being drunk and disorderly on May 26th (1900), and resisting P.G. Arnold whilst in the execution of his duty." Newspaper was the Surrey Mirror.
"Reigate Borough Police ...… James Lowder, of ? Road, Redhill. was brought a warrant charged with deserting his wife and causing her be chargeable ….. Lowder was sent prison for 14 days." 23 November 1900, Surrey Mirror.
If you sign up and get the three free articles here https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk you can read them
Just search for Lowder and restrict the search area to Surrey.
Added:
James Lowder and William Kent of Earlswood charged with stealing swedes 1880
George Constable and James Lowder, labourers, of Earlswood charged with cutting underwood 1885
James Lowder at Earlswood (near Redhill) bravely pulling a Frederik W Young from a lake 1895
A young boy Thomas Lowder in court for cutting down a tree to make darts 1888
Flora Lowder being assaulted by a man and losing a case 1889
Thomas Collins, Daniel Ayres, in Groveroad with ? Lowder in 1900 fighting
Thomas Lowder, a tramp, of no fixed abode 1901
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Here is Flora in the free 1881 census in Redhill, Surrey
James Lowder 33 born Dorking
Eliza Lowder 33 born Redhill
Alice Lowder 11 born Redhill
Flora Lowder 8 (1873) born Redhill
Charles H Lowder 3 born Redhill
John L Kent, Lodger, 14 born Redhill
Here is her Gro registration
LOWDER, FLORA KENT
GRO Reference: 1873 J Quarter in REIGATE UNION Volume 02A Page 141
So her mother was Eliza Kent, maybe this family are related to Clara Lowder in some way?
Added could Eliza Lowder (nee Kent) be Clara's mother? After all Clara is born one year after the census?
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Then you have this family in 1881 in Dorking (Could be the relatives of Frederick W Young that James Lowder pulled from that lake)
Henry Lowder, 35, Surrey
Alice Lowder, 33, London
Alice Lowder, 14, Dorking, Surrey, England
George Lowder, 12, Surrey
Edith Lowder, 9, Surrey
Federick Lowder, 7, Surrey
Charlotte Lowder, 4, Kent
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LOWDER, CHARLOTTE LIZZIE
YOUNG
GRO Reference: 1886 J Quarter in TUNBRIDGE Volume 02A Page 696
and at Reigate
LOWDER, EDITH
YOUNG
GRO Reference: 1881 S Quarter in REIGATE Volume 02A Page 165
Henry Lowders wife was Alice Young
and
FamilySearch says
Edith Lowder
christening:
28 August 1881
St Matthew, Redhill, Surrey, England
father: Henry Lowder
mother: Alice
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Wow thank you everyone! So much info to go through. I have ordered the birth cert for Clara Lowder a couple of days ago, so I hope this will give me a bit more info.
I love the newspaper articles lol, cutting a tree for darts.
I will try and keep you all updated as I go and maybe there might be a connection somewhere.