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Title: Same family 1841 and 1851?
Post by: snowball on Sunday 29 September 19 20:18 BST (UK)
Hi,
I am struggling to establish any further positive (or otherwise) evidence that the 1851 household including my gg-grandmother Eliza Hughes (b 1836) is the same as one in 1841. Are there any other potential leads I haven't considered?

1851
HO107/1490/21
34 William Street, Marylebone
Ann Morris, Head, widow, 70, housekeeper, b Middlesex, St Clements Strand
Thomas Morris, son, unmarried, 35 Master Butcher, b Middlesex St Giles
Eliza Hughes, head, widow, 35, laundress b Isle of Wight, Hampshire
Eliza Hughes, daughter, 15, house servant b Marylebone

In later censuses Eliza senior and Thomas Morris are living as man and wife but I can't find a marriage between them. Eliza senior later variouslly gives her birthplace as "Odiham, Hants" and "Hampshire".

1841
HO107/732/2/44
4 Osnaburg Row, St George Hanover Square
Eliza Hughes, 25, drop maker, not born Middlesex
Eliza Hughes, 5 b Middlesex
George Hughes, 3, b Middlesex
Ann Ashford, 60, Laundress, not born Middlesex

I have a probable birth for Eliza
St George Hanover Square
Eliza, of John and Eliza Hughes, Baptised July 31, born July 13, 1836 - father's profession, servant.

At her marriage to William Thomas Reynolds, Eliza junior gives her father as John Hughes, soldier

I feel I could make a breakthrough if I could find:

Any help gratefully received!
Rob

   
Title: Re: Same family 1841 and 1851?
Post by: Milliepede on Sunday 29 September 19 21:50 BST (UK)
Quote
Any other references to George Hughes, b circa 1838 - birth, death, census

If he was a brother to young Eliza that should narrow down a death for father John and with luck G's birth/baptism can be found. 

Title: Re: Same family 1841 and 1851?
Post by: cuffie81 on Monday 30 September 19 01:18 BST (UK)
Baptism:
name: George Hughes
baptised: 06 May 1838; St George Hanover Sq
father: John; servant
mother: Eliza
abode: Osnaburgh? Row
born: 25 Jan 1838


Another possible child...

Baptism:
name: Charles Hughes
baptised: 21 Jun 1840; St George Hanover Sq
father: John; soldier
mother: Eliza
abode: Osnaburgh? Row
born: 06 May 1840

Burial:
name: Charles Hughes
buried: 14 Jul 1840; St George Hanover Sq
age: 2m
abode: Osnaburgh Row

Possible GRO BMD references:
1840 Q2 Birth: Charles Hughes; (mmn: Haslett); St George Hanover Square; 01; 14
1840 Q3 Death: Charles Hughes; age 0 (born c1840); St George Hanover Square; 01; 2


Title: Re: Same family 1841 and 1851?
Post by: Milliepede on Monday 30 September 19 11:46 BST (UK)
Isn't Rochester Row by any stretch is it?

Burial for John Hughes 1 July 1839 age 46 St John Westminster - maybe a little too early depending how old baby Charles was when baptised  :-\
Title: Re: Same family 1841 and 1851?
Post by: ciderdrinker on Monday 30 September 19 12:00 BST (UK)
Hi
Taking mother's maiden name of Haslett for Charles there is a possible baptism at Odiham
Eliza Aslett 28.12.1814 d of Henry and Sarah Aslett lab of broad Oak.

No sign of a marriage though

Ciderdrinker
Title: Re: Same family 1841 and 1851?
Post by: snowball on Monday 30 September 19 14:06 BST (UK)
Thanks very much all - that's given me something to work with and I'll get a birth certificate. I've a few DNA connections through Eliza junior and her husband, so I'll see if there's anything to help there too.

I wonder what happened to Ann Ashford though - what's her connection, where she came from and where she went...

All the best
Rob
Title: Re: Same family 1841 and 1851?
Post by: cuffie81 on Monday 30 September 19 18:41 BST (UK)
Quote from: cuffie81 on Monday 30 September 19 01:18 BST (UK)
Baptism:
name: George Hughes
baptised: 06 May 1838; St George Hanover Sq
father: John; servant
mother: Eliza
abode: Osnaburgh? Row
born: 25 Jan 1838

Correction:
The abode was Lancashire Cl?, not Osnaburgh Row.


Quote from: Milliepede on Monday 30 September 19 11:46 BST (UK)
Isn't Rochester Row by any stretch is it?

I assume that question is for me Milliepede, and re. the abode on Charles' baptism. Looking at it again I'm pretty sure it's Osnaburgh Row. I don't know why I had my doubts. See attached.


Quote from: snowball on Sunday 29 September 19 20:18 BST (UK)
Any death for John Hughes, father, between 1836 and 1841

John may not have necessarily died by 1841. It may be that he just wasn't at the same address on the night of the census. So you might want to extend that search to 1851. That said, we don't seem to be able to find any more children born after 1840.
Title: Re: Same family 1841 and 1851?
Post by: snowball on Monday 30 September 19 20:38 BST (UK)
And how about that...

I've got a DNA connection that is consistent (and in line with shared matches) with someone apparently descended from another daughter of Henry Haslett and Sarah Bibbey/Bilbey of Odiham. Think that is a good line to pursue.

Thanks all!
Rob