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Richard Bull was married in 1850 in Limerick, Ireland...according to civil records on genealogy.ie.
Is there anyway I can find out who he was married to (probably a Church Of lreland marriage).
He had a son, also called Richard, in Co. Tipperary who went on to became sub-sheriff of Birr.
Thanks!
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From www.familysearch.org
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QGVD-PDJZ
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Noting that on irishgenealogy.ie, the bride's name is recorded CANTLON
A tip: Had the marriage record not been found by Carole on Family Search, by using irishgenealogy.ie and bringing up all the Limerick Civil marriages for 1850 (203 of them) then searching those (via Ctrl+f) for '628' being the returns page number showing on Richard Bull's entry, would find 5 grooms and 5 brides for the same reference as Richard Bull, that is, narrowing his bride to a choice of 5 :-)
Returns Year: 1850
Returns Quarter: 1
Returns Volume No: 6
Returns Page No: 628.
Also, I'm looking at an image from St Michaels, Limerick (Catholic), 1851 Baptisms and:
11th August, Thomas, son of Richard BULL & Bridget CANTLON, sponsors Thomas Tierney and Mary Tierney.
Cheers
AMBLY
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Thanks so much for the tips! Wow, Im always amazed by all your detective work on here!
Unfortunately though I think I may be barking up the wrong tree or in this case, the wrong Bull!
On both the 1901 and 1911 census it says Richard Bull was born in Co. Tipperary and both times he's listed as Church of Ireland.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/King_s_Co_/Tullamore_Rural/Spollanstown/1471524/
Ive a feeling he may be connected to William H Bull from Nenagh (1810-1876) who was a petty sessions law clerk but I cant find any records of William having a son called Richard. Its a mystery!
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Limerick Reporter, 12 Nov 1850
MARRIAGES
On Saturday last, at the Registrar's Office, and afterwards by the Rev. Mr Synan, P.P. St Michael's, Mr Richard Bull, son of Mr Thomas Bull, harness maker, to Miss Bridget Cantlon, third daughter of Mr Cantlon, master tailor, both of Francis Street, Limerickd
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Richard's wedding notice refers to "Thomas Bull" rather than the "late Thomas Bull" but possible link?
Limerick Chronicle, 29 Dec 1838
DEATHS
Mr Thomas Bull, a respectable saddler and harness maker, in this City, and grandson of the late Captain Bull, Prince of Wales Fencibles.
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Richard's church wedding, St. Michael's, available via Catholic registers -
http://registers.nli.ie
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Limerick and Clare Examiner, 26 Oct 1850
The following marriage notices were read - between Joseph Young and Anne Clements and between Richard Bull and Bridget Cantwell of Francis Street.
Hopefully, the Cantlon household read the Limerick Reporter - else the above might have given Bridget a touch of the vapours!
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Kildare Nationalist Jan 2018
Richard Bull born Nenagh 1851 son of Fredrick and Jane Wiley
Richard's uncle William Hunt Bull
William's father John
William's son John
Richard married Elizabeth Barcroft in 1880.
There is more about Richard's family, it's in the Racing Section of the paper something to do with 'Who was Who of Irish Racing'.
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Will calendars http://www.rootschat.com/links/01oev/
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Will Registers http://www.rootschat.com/links/01oew/
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Great finds every one ;D
Of the children of Richard Bull and Florence E, on Census 1911 is Muriel A W BULL, aged 25 (born abt 1886) Kings Co.
BIRTH Registration, Mar Qtr 1886, Tullamore:
Muriel Anna Wiley BULL
Cheers
AMBLY
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Kildare Nationalist Jan 2018
Richard Bull born Nenagh 1851 son of Fredrick and Jane Wiley
Richard's uncle William Hunt Bull
William's father John
William's son John
Richard married Elizabeth Barcroft in 1880.
There is more about Richard's family, it's in the Racing Section of the paper something to do with 'Who was Who of Irish Racing'.
I was woken by a truck when I wrote the above so now that I'm properly awake I'll do a better job at extracting the info in the article.
Fredrick Bull auctioneer and clerk of Nenagh poor law union and wife had four children, Fredrick died 1853, heavily pregnant at the time his wife had in a few weeks started a dressmaking business.
Richard was Church Warden of Birr, a member of the Ormonde Hunt, horse breeder, and invested in Newspaper titles.
Married Florence Elizabeth Barcroft of Kilboggett Cabinteely in 1880, Richard was now Under Sherriff of both Kings and Queen's Counties.
The couple moved to Cloonagh than Elmfield living next door to Daniel E Williams.
In 1904 daughter Florence (23) eloped with the boy next door Daniel Williams a RC. They married in Dublin and went to America, arrived back in Ireland 1905 with their son Vincent.
The Williams family welcomed them back but Richard didn't and barred his daughter from seeing her mother until Florence Elizabeth was on her deathbed in Mountmellick in 1917.
Richard and family had to move to Rockfield House Maryborough because he had arrested one of the Williams employees making him a figure of hate in Elmfield.
The rest is about his horses, I haven't read it all but at the end.
Richard went on a tour of Egypt and Naples with his daughter Muriel in 1927, died in Dublin in 1930.
Run away daughter Florence died in 1956 having outlived her husband by almost 20 years.
Almost forgot
Near the start
Richard's uncle William Hunt Bull had inherited the office of Clerk to the Court of Petty Sessions in Nenagh from his father John and succeeded, after almost 40 years in office, by his son also John.
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Gleanings from the "Guardian" files of 1874 in the Nenagh Guardian of 1974
Mr John Bull son of William Bull, for the last 40 years Clerk of the Petty Session, has been appointed to the vacant mastership of the Nenagh Post Office.
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Thanks so much everyone and especially Sinann for hitting the jackpot! Now I know where the stubborn streak in the family comes from! I guessed due to the nature of his job Richard was probably not a very popular man at the time but I didn't realise he'd barred Florence from seeing her Mother! :o
I was wondering how you found the article, is there an Irish newspaper archive website?
Many thanks!
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https://www.irishnewsarchive.com/
Subscription site
Nenagh Guardian 1838-Current
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You would need to check everything written in the newspaper
For example Family Search has Patrick Bull married to Jane Wiley in 1849
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QGVD-P9J3
While on Irish Genealogy there is no Patrick marriage but there is a Frederick on the same page as Jane Wiley, so looks like a transcription error on the part of FamilySearch but it does show Patrick/Frederick's father as John which agrees with Frederick and William H being brothers if the newspaper is correct and William H's father was John.
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We know from the Will Calendars the William Hunt Bull's wife was Ellen.
An Ellen Bull died in Dublin in 1892 she was from Barrack's Street Nenagh, this address turns up a lot in the papers for the Bull family.
http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/reels/cwa/005014909/005014909_00498.pdf
Susan Harkness mention on the Will Calendar married 1889
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1889/10724/5910257.pdf
daughter of William Hunt Bull, Petty Sessions etc
There is at least one birth in Nenagh 1864 to William Hunt Bull and Ellen Heney (?)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1864/03615/2334262.pdf
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William H Bull married Ellen Heney 1848
William father is John
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QL3W-NTRZ
When the images of these marriages come online on Irish Genealogy you can check the father John has the same occupation for both William and Frederick but otherwise it looks good.
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thanks so much everybody, the Bull wall has been well and truely demolished!
P.S. Hope there's no noisy trucks tonight!
;)
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Probate of Richard Bull's will was granted Aug 1930 at Dublin to Ross Odlum Esq and Almed Rolleston solicitor.
https://www.nationalarchives.ie/search-the-online-catalogue/advanced-search/#!/details/110818971
no Ross Odlum in Ireland perhaps there was property in England
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:7XZ9-TXMM
Allured Rolleston
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/King_s_Co_/Dunkerrin/Franckfort/557385/
his father was Res Magistrate in Donegal 1873
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1873/11262/8130740.pdf
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Lillian 1888
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1889/02463/1914871.pdf
1901
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XSX8-2XJ
Ah Mr Odlum
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1910/09984/5631042.pdf
1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Carlow/Tinnahinch/St__Mullins/315038/
http://resources.waterfordcouncil.ie/records/web/Display/grave/d0642e32-d785-11e7-9d16-0026b9533715/
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Richard Bull was married in 1850 in Limerick, Ireland...according to civil records on genealogy.ie.
Is there anyway I can find out who he was married to (probably a Church Of lreland marriage).
He had a son, also called Richard, in Co. Tipperary who went on to became sub-sheriff of Birr.
Thanks!
At the moment you will get some up to about 1870 that don't have Images of Certs but will have "at some stage"..
A Search like this on https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp will get them e.g. 1845 to 1850 when they are updated, so adjust the search for whatever years you need and get them in all Districts, if one knows district one can select that from list on left in Search results.
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/civil-records/help/what-civil-records-are-on-line explains years covered etc.
Just check back every now and then even in 6 months time.....or more ;D
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Administration of the estate Lillian Ethel Bull of Kilboggatt,Trusses Road,Broadwell Juxta Mare Co Essex who died 28th Jan 1933 to Gladys V Parker
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:26J8-TN1
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q26M-MK8N
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Gleanings from the "Guardian" files of 1874 in the Nenagh Guardian of 1974
Mr John Bull son of William Bull, for the last 40 years Clerk of the Petty Session, has been appointed to the vacant mastership of the Nenagh Post Office.
Irish Times, 10 Apr 1876
NENAGH POST OFFICE - Mr John Bull, Clerk of the Petty Sessions, Nenagh, has resigned the mastership of the post-office of that town, the duties of both situations being too heavy for him
Limerick Chronicle, 26 Apr 1848
MARRIAGES
At Nenagh, Mr William Bull, Clerk of the Petty Sessions, to Ellen, daughter of the late Mr Thos Heney
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The Limerick and Clare Examiner, 27 July 1853, reported the death of a Frederick Bull, Esq, Clerk of the Union, at his residence Summerhill, Nenagh. No age given.
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G/stone inscription
Source http://www.rootschat.com/links/01of6/