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..Or are unsure whether you have found the right one!
So yes, that is my question. :)
I am fairly confident that my chap was mentioned in Prison Registers in 1908 (right age, occupation and place and obviously the right name)
By the 1911 census his wife is living with one of her kids and says she is a widow.
So this gives me a 3 year window to find him.
I ordered a pdf of a possible death. OK so it wasn't the correct geographical area but there is a
vague rumour that he ended up there and i took the chance. Unfortunately i don't think it's him - I can't see a Tailor (manager) trading jobs to be a scaffolder.(Unless scaffolder is something else back then!) The wife had the same name but let's face it Elizabeth is very common.
Does anyone have any advice for me?
Just so you have all the information
1857 Walter banks Parr born in Bristol, Gloucestershire
I have him in census from 61 to 01 - moving from gloucestershire to warwickshire...and staffs.(name mistranscribed in some instances)
He was a Tailor/clothier/master tailor.
Married to Elizabeth of Salford, Lancs - who was very vague with her age and kids!
The pdf death cert stated he died at the Hackney Union Infirmary and his residence was 27 shacklewell row, Dalston
Does anyone have any advice for me? Where do i go from here?
Many thanks,
Kaz
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The Walter Parr who died in Hackney in 1908 was, I am fairly sure, a son of Samuel S Parr b1828 Sheffield and Ann b1822 Lincolnshire - taken from 1861- 1901 Census onwards in Hackney.
I tend to just leave the death as unknown and just keep doing another search in 6 months/a year - a couple of times they have turned up.
I also have a wife who claimed to be a widow in one of the census when her husband was in jail.
Jackie
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Thanks Jackie,
I was fairly sure the 1908 chap wasn't mine. Think i was just trying to make sure. After all, age was about right and as i mentioned there is a story that he went to London. Unfortunately details pretty much end there apart from a vague reference to 2 females with flower related names ..or some sort of connection to flowers ??? ;D
I should double check the 1911 census then.
Thanks
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age was about right and there is a story that he went to London. Unfortunately details pretty much end there apart from a vague reference to 2 females with flower related names ..or some sort of connection to flowers
Follow the scent ;D
Seems a good clue if it turns out to be true!
List all the names of flowers/plants related to female names...
Daisy, Lily, Rose, Violet...
Annie
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Check other countries. I have a 3rd great granny claiming to be a widow in Northumberland while her husband had gone to the USA.
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I tried newspapers, found two articles about his trial but nothing further.
Birmingham Daily Gazette 27 May 1908
page2, col 4
Walter Parr, of no fixed abode, was at Birmingham Police Court yesterday committed for trial at the Quarter Session charged with embezzlement from Harry Goodman, tailor, for whom he had managed a shop at 212 High-street, Deritend.
Birmingham Daily Gazette 09 July 1908
page 6, col 2
Walter Parr (52), tailor’s manager, pleaded guilty to embezzling 5s on February 1, 8s 5d on February 10 , and 4s 5d on February 15, received on account of Mr Harry Goodman, his employer. Mr Cracroft (for the prosecution) said the total amount involved was £5 12s. Mr Dorsett, who defended, said Parr did not like a reduction in his salary, and evidently thought he was entitled to something more. On his (counsel’s) advice he pleaded guilty. Prisoner had been in gaol six weeks, and he (counsel) thought this was sufficient punishment. The Recorder took the same view, and bound the prisoner over to come up for judgement if called upon.
Boo
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Also try Scotland
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Walter Parr 1901 Census at Handsworth, Staffordshire / West Bromwich
Born 1857, Bristol, Gloucestershire
Profession: CLOTHIERS SALESMAN
Walter Parr Head Male 44 Bristol, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Parr Wife Female 47 Manchester, Lancashire
Bruce Parr Son Male 18 B'Ham, Warwickshire
May Parr Daughter Female 16 B'Ham, Warwickshire
Walter has moved about a bit - maybe he has moved to Scotland/Wales/Ireland or abroad.
BUT maybe he changed or altered his name ??
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Is it possible he didn't quite change his name but dropped his surname in favour of his middle name Banks to avoid his past?
Annie
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Did son Bruce marry & is Walter recorded as deceased at that time?
Annie
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Hello Everyone,
Thank you all for all your insights....and Boo thank you for the newspaper articles.
To answer some questions:
Yes, son Bruce did marry. In 1903 ! And Walter was obviously alive then.
Daughter May married in 1925 and i have just realised that i don't actually have that marriage
record.I have who she married but no more than that(Blimey i think that detail came from a contact and i strangely didn't follow up on it!) .I will look into getting that - maybe it will help.
I have had a look for Banks but nothing stood out.
I definitely haven't tried Scotland. Way back i did examine other countries but maybe i should look again.
OK i have things to check!
Thank you again for pointing me in other directions - it is much appreciated!
Kaz
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O.K so i found and ordered his wife's death certificate.
She died in the workhouse infirmary January 1915.
It gives her address at home(3 back of 75 Bracebridge st, Birmingham) and says "wife of Walter Parr, Tailors Presser Journeyman".
The informant was their daughter (of 4 Crompton Avenue, Crompton Road, Handsworth)....
So i am thinking he may have been alive.Possibly...Maybe...
I would like to think that the daughter would have known if her father was dead (or not)- and would have said so ...wouldn't she? ???
Having said that, I didn't find him in 1911 and still no other deaths that look like him!
And that's all folks! 8)
Kaz