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Hi, I would be grateful if anyone can help me figure a few things out, it's a little complicated so i'll do my best to explain.
In the 1911 census living in st leonards gate, Lancaster is Delilah Patchett and her two daughters, annie and may. Annie's birth year is stated as 1905/6 but I cannot find any birth registered anywhere around that time for her.
I know that Annie Patchett married William gamble in 1923, they are living in Lancaster in the 1939 register which states she was born in 1905, her sister may Patchett is unmarried and living with them, her birth year is 1909 yet the only birth I can find for a may patchet is 1907, the mothers maiden name is Bates, I have found a Delilah bates born 1870 in Oldham which fits with what is written in the 1911 census.
I am still unable to find a record for delilah's marriage to someone with the surname Patchett, I don't know where her husband is in the 1911 census as it still says she's married not widowed and there is no trace of the 3 children they lost according to the 1911 census, there is also no trace of Delilah Patchett in the 1901 census.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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May Patchett's age on the 1911 is 3 so born c 1908 not 1909 which makes it more likely that the birth registered Dec 1/4 1907 Lancaster is your May Pratchett. Like you I can't see a birth reg for a Ann* Pra*chet*/Bate(s) In fact the only birth reg showing in Lancaster 1892 - 1911 is May's.
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This looks like Delilah in 1871
Peter Street,Oldham
Thomas Bates Head 24 born Oldham Carder Cotton
Sarah Ann Bates Wife 24 born Oldham Speed Tenter
Delilah Bates Daughter 9 months born Oldham
Baptism
Delilah Bates
Birth Date:22 Jul 1870
Baptism Date:18 Aug 1870
Baptism Place:St. Peter, Oldham,
Father:Thomas Bates
Mother:Sarah Ann
1881
2 Flora Street, Oldham
Thomas Bates 33
Sarah Bates 31
Deliah Bates 11
Emma Bates 8
Mary Ann Bates 3
Maria Taylor 19
Ralph Masday 17
1891
5 Franklin Street, Oldham
Thomas Bates 45
Sarah A Bates 43
Delitan Bates 20
Emma Bates 17
Mary A Bates 13
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May's birth certificate could be worth getting as it may name her father
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Electoral registers in the 1920's have Delilah
her living with a Joseph Patchett
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School admissions 15.04.1912 Skerton County Primary School have
Annie Patchett 2.7.05
May Patchett 8.12.07 Father of both is Joseph of 98 Main street which ties in with the Joseph Rosie99 found.
Cathy
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Electoral registers in the 1920's have her living with a Joseph Patchett
School admissions 15.04.1912 Skerton County Primary School have
Annie Patchett 2.7.05
May Patchett 8.12.07 Father of both is Joseph of 98 Main street which ties in with the Joseph Rosie99 found.
Cathy
Brilliant finds! :) :) :)
Possible deaths (FreeBMD):
Dec qtr 1923 Lancaster vol 8e p876 Delilah PATCHETT age 53
Sep qtr 1924 Lancaster vol 8e p683 Joseph PATCHETT age 65
(there are other Josephs in Lancashire, but this is the only one in Lancaster from 1920 to 1990)
Philip
ADDED: There are four Josephs born in Lancashire 1850 to 1870 (GRO):
Joseph William PATCHETT Mar qtr 1855 Manchester vol 8d p299 mmn LISTER
Joseph Henry PATCHETT Sep qtr 1860 Burnley vol 8e p217 mmn KNOWLES
Joseph Hague PADGETT Dec qtr 1861 Stockport vol 8a p21 mmn HAGUE
Joseph PUTCHETT Dec qtr 1863 Rochdale vol 8e p72 mmn DEARDEN
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Was just going to post that death for Joseph :)
Joseph & Delilah were buried in Skerton
Delilah on 1 Nov 1923 abode 98 Main St, Skerton
Joseph on 21 Jul 1924 abode 2 Quernmore Road, Lancaster
They are in the same grave A591
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Was just going to post that death for Joseph :)
Joseph & Delilah were buried in Skerton
Delilah on 1 Nov 1923 abode 98 Main St, Skerton
Joseph on 21 Jul 1924 abode 2 Quernmore Road, Lancaster
They are in the same grave A591
That is pretty conclusive. Yay you!
So now we have the name Joseph and an approximate age at death. Now it's a matter of seeing which of the births (if he was even born in Lancashire!) we can eliminate.
Philip
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I am wondering if this is Joseph in 1911
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X49G-MRP
Barrow in Furness is not that far away from Lancaster. I have a family member in Barrow in 1911 whose family was in Morecambe ::)
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ADDED: There are four Josephs born in Lancashire 1850 to 1870 (GRO):
Joseph William PATCHETT Mar qtr 1855 Manchester vol 8d p299 mmn LISTER
Joseph Henry PATCHETT Sep qtr 1860 Burnley vol 8e p217 mmn KNOWLES
Joseph Hague PADGETT Dec qtr 1861 Stockport vol 8a p21 mmn HAGUE
Joseph PUTCHETT Dec qtr 1863 Rochdale vol 8e p72 mmn DEARDEN
FreeBMD has a marriage Jun qtr 1882 Burnley Joseph Henry PATCHETT on same page as John HARDACRE, Elizabeth Ann HARGREAVES, and Mary LEAVER
GRO births - none for PATCHETT/LEAVER, but PATCHETT/HARGREAVES include Walter (1883), Mary (1884), Emily (1886), Henry (1890 Burnley) - all in Burnley.
Joseph H and Elizabeth A are on the 1901 Census with children (FamilySearch ) This gives Joseph's birthplace as Colne, Lancashire and age as 39.
The family appears on the 1911 Census (FamilySearch GBC/1911/RG14/24809/0557/1) with Elizabeth Ann as head, married.
So, where was Joseph Henry in 1911? I can't see a death for him 1901-1911. Is Joseph Henry PATCHETT your man?
Philip
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Joseph Patchett
Age: 52
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: LABOURER MOULDING
Industry: DEPT SHIPYARD
Number in Family: 5
Birth Year (Estimated): 1859
Birthplace:Hallifax, Yorkshire
Relationship to Head of Household:
Boarder
Schedule Type: 145
Page Number: 1
Registration Number: RG14
Piece/Folio: 289
Affiliate Record Identifier: GBC/1911/RG14/25699/0289/7
Just noticed that this is the one Rosie99 posted.
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Joseph H and Elizabeth A are on the 1901 Census with children (FamilySearch ) This gives Joseph's birthplace as Colne, Lancashire and age as 39.
The family appears on the 1911 Census (FamilySearch GBC/1911/RG14/24809/0557/1) with Elizabeth Ann as head, married.
So, where was Joseph Henry in 1911? I can't see a death for him 1901-1911. Is Joseph Henry PATCHETT your man?
Philip
There is a death for a Joseph Henry Patchett 79 yrs -1940, Manchester.
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Joseph Patchett
Age: 52
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: LABOURER MOULDING
Industry: DEPT SHIPYARD
Number in Family: 5
Birth Year (Estimated): 1859
Birthplace:Hallifax, Yorkshire
Relationship to Head of Household:
Boarder
Schedule Type: 145
Page Number: 1
Registration Number: RG14
Piece/Folio: 289
Affiliate Record Identifier: GBC/1911/RG14/25699/0289/7
Just noticed that this is the one Rosie99 posted.
I was hoping to eliminate the Josephs born in Lancashire before moving on to those living in Lancashire but born elsewhere.
Is this the only Joseph of about the right age living in Lancashire but born elsewhere in 1901 or 1911 of about the right age (allowing for a few years either way of the death age 65 in 1924 which gives birth c1859)?
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Joseph H and Elizabeth A are on the 1901 Census with children (FamilySearch ) This gives Joseph's birthplace as Colne, Lancashire and age as 39.
The family appears on the 1911 Census (FamilySearch GBC/1911/RG14/24809/0557/1) with Elizabeth Ann as head, married.
So, where was Joseph Henry in 1911? I can't see a death for him 1901-1911. Is Joseph Henry PATCHETT your man?
Philip
There is a death for a Joseph Henry Patchett 79 yrs -1940, Manchester.
That seems to rule out Joseph Henry.
Allowing for the possibility that the age at death was approximate, that leaves one potential and two unlikely Lancashire births to eliminate.
Philip
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Rosie99s Joseph born 1859 Halifax was married in Heaton Norris 1880 to Ellen Wood.
Ellen living in Oldham with children in1901/1911 but Joseph not with her.She dies in 1950.
cant find them on 81 or 91 yet using family search.
Does 1911 census for Delilah say how many years married.
I should say it could possibly be the same Joseph
Lee
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Rosie99s Joseph born 1859 Halifax was married in Heaton Norris 1880 to Ellen Wood.
Ellen living in Oldham with children in1901/1911 but Joseph not with her.She dies in 1950.
cant find them on 81 or 91 yet using family search.
Does 1911 census for Delilah say how many years married.
Lee
Yes, but we cannot give that information but him missing on the census with Ellen 1901/11 would fit.
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That's a shame,wish I'd renewed my subscription now.. should add that he was Registered as Joe patchett but married as Joseph.Definate same person though as his dad had a double barrel surname.
Lee
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I should have said well done hol ;D
The marriage to Ellen has Joseph's occupation as a Moulder age 21 and his address as 9 Joseph St, Heaton Norris - father Robinson Kitchen Patchett occ Billiard Table Maker.
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It gets stranger with Delilah,her parents Thomas b1846 and Sarah Ann b1848 have a daughter born 1891 named Gladys .Gro has no mothers surname. Christening has mother Delilah and father Thomas Bates.
Delilah isn't with the family on 1901 census
Lee
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Hi all, to everyone who has commented i'm following up all of your leads!
I really appreciate your help, Thankyou.
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I am wondering if this is Joseph in 1911
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X49G-MRP
Barrow in Furness is not that far away from Lancaster. I have a family member in Barrow in 1911 whose family was in Morecambe ::)
Thankyou for that rosie, after getting hold of may's birth certificate it says joseph is an iron moulder so i'm pretty sure this is him in 1911!
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That does sound like a good match then.