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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Tyrone => Topic started by: Dette on Thursday 18 August 05 13:05 BST (UK)
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Hello
My name is Dette and I am researching my mum's family. My great great grandfather Jeremiah McIvor was born in Ardboe, Co. Tyrone, in 1817 to Jeremiah McKeever and Ann McSloy.
Jeremiah McIvor married (1) Sara on 25 May 1849 in Ardboe and they had four children -
Patrick (b? d1916) stayed in Ireland and married Isabella Shields
Nancy Ann (b 15 March 1850 & d 1866)
Joseph (b 12 December 1853 & d 31 October 1925) went to Australia in 1880
Mary (b 2 November 1859 & died 1869).
Jeremiah's second wife was Isabella Harbison. They had 5 children.
I would appreciate any info about the first family, particulary when and where Sara was born and her death.
Thanking you in anticipation
Dette Glenday
Brisbane Qld Australia
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Hello Dette,
Would you mind clarifying your message please ??? I am slightly confused. ??? Was there a surname change ??? When did Jeremiah McIvor's surname change since his parents were Jeremiah McKeever and Ann (nee McSloy) ???
All the Best, Chris
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Hi Chris
The surnames are as I wrote them. When I found this info, this is how the surnames were in the registers in Co Tyrone.
Back in 1995, I was in London and went to the Society of Geneology's fair in London. Among the stall holders was a man from outside of Dungannon who runs a facility that does family history research (I can't remember his name). It was he who found my Jeremiah's birth and the names of his parents. The surname given on his birth registration was McKeever but he spelt it as McIvor on his marriage, which is the name that came to Australia.
I hope this clarifies things for you.
Dette
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Hi
Jeremiah McIvor is my great great great grandfather. His son Patrick who married Isabella Shields and they had a son named Hugh...
Hugh had a daughter named Rosemary who is my grandmother.
Dette, I would like to speak with you...
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How wonderful!! I guess this makes us cousins as your Patrick is brother to my great grandfather Joseph. I would love to swap info.
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Me too!
Me and my aunt tried to telephone you.. we looked up your name on the internet, for telephone pages for Brisbane, but there was no answer the couple of times we tried!!!
You have an old posting, from about 10 years ago, that has an email address, but it doesn't work!!
We have been really excited to try to get in touch with you... we have lots of family in Australia, and the same great, great grandparents... I would love to talk to you!
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My grandmother, Rosemary is 91 years young...(Patrick is her grandfather)
She wants me to ask you if you know Monica and Rita.. I guess they are your 1st cousins??
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Hi,
It is possible to communicate privately by using the Personal Message system, Click on the green Scroll under the persons pen name and you can send a PM.
Regards
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Details of living people aren't allowed to be posted here so if you want to discuss living relatives please do so by PM (personal message).
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Look at 'Ardboe Gallery' on Facebook for more info.
Still McIvors in Ardboe..... McKeever probably a variation in spelling as is McKiver
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hi dette i am from ardboe, jerimah is my family also, i have our family tree, lots of this clan in queensland. like to hear from you, oli
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Hi Oli, I am part of the clan in Queensland. If you would like to PM me, we can swap info. Dette
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New members usually need 3 posts to use PM (Personal Message) system so Oli will need to make a few more posts here.
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hi dette iwill get my daughter to help me, i am new to this, oli
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hello dette,looking foward to hearing from you re familytree oli
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Dette, I've been reading your posts and I believe you may find the following information useful. I have the original Ardboe parish registers (which begin October 1827) and I also have all the entries on worksheets so that I can easily group familes together etc.
There is no entry for a marriage of Jeremiah McIvor and Anne McSloy but the following births are in the register:
27 September 1832 - Mary McIver of Jeremiagh and Anne McSloy. Barracks (last is the address: it's a part of the townland of Drumaney. It's not a barracks, it's the Irish word barach meaning a wooded hill top)
4 March 1836 - John of Jeremia McIver and Anna McSloy. Barracks
There are no more baptismal entries for this family.
There is a marriage in Ardboe parish on 25 May 1849 for Jeremia McIver and Sara McIver
Baptisms:
15 March 1850 - Nancy Ann of (no forename, simply a line) ------ McIver and Sarah McIver. Mullaghwhitra (the townland immediately adjacent to Drumaney/Barracks)
16 December 1852 - Joseph of Jeremiah McIver and Sara McIver. Barracks
2 November 1854 - Mary of Jeremiah McEver and Sarah McEver
5 September 1856 - Patrick of Jeremy McEver and Sarah Do. (Do. meaning ditto, that is, McEver)
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Hi Pat
Thanks for this info. I had looked at the microfilm of the parish records some years ago and gleaned some of this info from them. I had thought that Barracks meant that Jeremiah was the local policeman but couldn't verify that so now that I now it was a townland instead, this clears that misconception up.
I still have cousins in the area that are descended from Patrick (I am a great granddaughter of Joseph). They are mostly named Quinn but there are still a few McIvors around. Someday I will get back to the area - I was there is 1991 and 1995.
Could the McIvors (that's how we spell it today) and the McSloys have come from somewhere else nearby? Also I am still trying to locate info on Sara married to Jeremiah and mother to four children. I have no idea where she was born or where she died. She may have died in 1869 as Patrick is the informant on the deaths of the two girls (Nancy Ann and Mary). I also had a date of baptism of 1817 for Jeremiah from the film. Can you verify this?
Thanks again for the info. Hope to hear from you soon.
Dette
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Below is the inscription from the headstone of Jeremiah and Isabella McIvor family in Mullinahoe graveyard, Ardboe. Although I had photographed and transcribed all the headstones in this graveyard several years ago, I went back today and re-checked this one because Jeremiah's apparent age gives him a year of birth approximately 1837. I re-photographed the inscription just to be doubly certain - it has been cleaned since I first photographed it.
My assumption would be that this Jeremiah (d.1900) was a son of Jeremiah McIvor and Anne McSloy, was a brother of Mary (b.1832) and of John (b.1836). I wouldn’t be overly concerned by the fact that there is no entry in the baptismal records: this is a not uncommon occurrence, for instance my own great grandfather was baptised in Ardboe in 1839 but he does not appear in the register. I know from perusing the registers that they were only written up every few months, and inevitably some slips of paper with baptismal details on them had been lost before the official entry could be made.
It is feasible that the Jeremiah who married Anne McSloy was also the Jeremiah who married Sarah McIvor in 1849.
Pray for the souls of Jeremiah McIvor, Ballymurphy, died 6th May 1900 aged 63. His wife, Isabella died 7th April 1910 aged 67. His daughter Annie died 8th March 1909 aged 23. And his sons, James died 27th April 1933, aged 54. Jeremiah, died in U.S.A., April 1945. His daughter in law Mary McIvor died 1st Oct. 1956, aged 57. And her husband John McIvor died 5th Feb. 1983 aged 97. Hugh died in Glasgow April 1965 aged 76. R.I.P. McIvor
Perhaps you will let me know what you think as regards this.
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Hi Pat, thanks for sending this through. i'm not sure now where I found the info on Jeremiah (the one on the headstone). I know that he is the father of Joseph (my great grandfather), Patrick, Nancy Ann and Mary. If he was born in 1837, he would have been only 13 years old when Nancy Ann was baptised. Is this feasible?
I hadn't thought about Jeremiah marrying Ann McSloy then Sara McIvor as I haven't been able to find death entries for Jeremiah, Ann McSloy, or Sara Mcivor.
Is there any other details available of photographs or records of the headstones in the cemetary?
Perhaps this is a mystery that won't be solved until I get to heaven to ask them myself!!
Thanks again.
Dette
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Hi,
The Public Record Office in Belfast have a will, complete with image, for Hugh McIvor of Ballymurphy, Co. Tyrone, who died on 22 Oct 1895. See http://applications.proni.gov.uk/DCAL_PRONI_WillsCalendar/WillsSearch.aspx
Regards
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Hi
Might this family be related to McIevers from Coltrim / Ringsend close to Drumullan and Moneymore at all?
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Dette, I have a feeling I replied to you on this topic some time ago, advising you that there appears to be a fundamental mix-up in the information you have on the Jeremiah McIvors.
I will again set out the details as they are in the Ardboe registers plus the inscription on a headstone – this should clarify things for you, hopefully.
The Ardboe parish (Catholic) marriage register contains the following entry, partly in Latin:
25 Maii 1849. Jeremium McIver et Sara McIver. Testibus Jacobo et Maria McIver
(In English) 25 May 1849. Jeremiah McIver and Sarah McIver. Witnesses James and Mary McIver
The baptismal register contains the following baptisms:
15 March 1850 – Nancy Ann of (blank) McIver and Sarah McIver. Sponsors: Hugh McIver and Margaret McEver. [Address] Mullaghwhitra (a townland in Ardboe parish)
16 December 1852 – Joseph of Jeremiah McIver and Sara McIver. Sponsors: Patrick Mulvanagh and Hanagh McIver. [Address] Barracks (a hill in the townland of Drumaney in Ardboe parish)
2 November 1854 – Mary of Jeremiah McEver and Sarah McEver. Sponsors: John and Mary McEver
5 September 1856 – Patrick of Jeremy McEver and Sarah McEver. Sponsors: John Mallon and Sarah Muldoon
I would very much doubt that this Jeremiah McIver/McEver was the man who married Isabella Harbison in Ardboe in 1876 and had five children, namely Jeremiah (1877); James (1879); Hugh (1881); Anne (1883); John (1886?)
There is a headstone in Mullinahoe graveyard in Ardboe which has the following inscription:
Pray for the souls of Jeremiah McIvor, Ballymurphy, died 6th May 1900 aged 63. His wife Isabella died 7th April 1910 aged 67. His daughter Annie died 8th March 1909 aged 23. And his sons James died 27th April 1933 aged 54. Jeremiah died in USA April 1945. His daughter-in-law Mary McIvor died 1st Oct 1956 aged 57. And her husband John McIvor died 5th Feb 1983 aged 97. Hugh died in Glasgow April 1965 aged 76. McIvor
There is no baptismal entry for a Jeremiah McIver/McEver/McIvor in 1837 or around that date. However there are two baptismal entries for children of Jeremiah McIver and Anna McSloy:
27 September 1832 – Mary of Jeremiagh McIver and Anna McSloy. Sponsors: Michael Brien and Mary McIver. [Address] Barracks (a hill in the townland of Drumaney in Ardboe parish)
4 March 1836 – John of Jeremia McIver and Anna McSloy. Sponsors: Hugh Banigan and Sara Brien. [Address] Barracks (a hill in the townland of Drumaney in Ardboe parish)
It’s my guess that the Jeremiah who died in 1900 belonged to this family. He may have been born in 1837/38, but for some reason his baptism was not registered; it is also possible that a mistake was made in the 1836 entry (John instead of Jeremiah).
I would also suggest that the Jeremiah who was married to Anna McSloy in the 1830s may have been the man who married Sarah McIver in 1849?
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Tyresson2012 - sorry no connections.