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Old Photographs, Recognition, Handwriting Deciphering => Free Photo Restoration & Date Old Photographs => Topic started by: artisann on Wednesday 11 September 19 15:30 BST (UK)
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Hello
Would it be possible to clean and give a estimate date for this photo...am unsure of exactly where it was taken or the occasion...but any input would be more than welcome.
Thank you in advance .
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I would say mid- late Edwardian.
Carol
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Very interesting photo..tho 2 of the gentlemen look as tho they've been stuck on afterwards
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Carol thank you so much for your kind reply. Was hoping it was about than.
Thank you
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Hello brigidmac
That’s very interesting ?....would they have done that back than.....ie Edwardian.just to add I think I know. The two you mean ...on the left ...
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Something about several gentlemen makes me think “Italian”
The shorter one. Well he is not standing on the ledge, wearing a boater looks like Al Capone as. Young man - ;D ;D ;D, On our left as we look at the photo.
Th chap,in the lighter suit and Homburg hat at the front ,certainly looks Italian to me.
There were many immigrants in British towns at that time.
Manchester has a large Italian community but in Scotland and Wales too many towns had Italian families.
Hope you get more info.Viktoria.
P.S. wonder what the buttonhole in one man’s lapel signifies?
Could it be the green,white and red of the Italian flag I wonder.Red comes up quite black on B/W photographs.V.
P.P.S.,not a rosette but two dark centred flowers,sorry! :-X :-X
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Hi Victoria
Many thanks for your reply...certainly loads to think about.....but agree some of the gentlemen do have a Italian look about them 🙂...
Thank you again.
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I love seeing all the different expressions in old group photos; really shows up their characters, especially when you zoom in to do the repairs.
Anyway, here's a couple of versions from me. :)
Peter
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Those are good copies, I notice the man in the light suit and
Homburg hat has a large right hand and a much finer left hand.
As do a few more on the front row.
Perhaps their trade or profession? or just coincidence.
You have started something artisan! ;D
Viktoria.
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The man circled on the second row, has his hand on the shoulder of the young man on the front row. This indicates a familial connection, maybe Father and Son.
Carol
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Hello Peter
What can I say!....thank you so much for the fantastic work you have done on the photo you have certainly made things so much clearer...ie pocket watches, cigars ...am so pleased with the result.
Really appreciate your skill and time ...thank you 🙂
You are all very talented restores ...
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Hi Victoria
Hadn’t really noticed your point on the men’s hands ...but now that Peter has done such a great restore it really stands out...yes it could be their profession...
Thank you for your input .🙂
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Hi Carol
Many thanks for your reply..
I believe the man that is/ was circled was a carter/ coachman for Brewery....what is a bit confusing about the picture is that they all look well off for the time...
Just to add he didn’t have a son.(well as far as I’m aware)....
Many thanks though.🙂
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Thanks for your lovely response to the restores, artisan. :D
Cheers,
Peter
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Would anyone have any idea on what the gentleman on the extreme right wearing the boater hat has on the bottom of his waistcoat...looks like handcuffs 😂😂
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Peter... no need to thank me...brilliant work 🙂
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It's interesting looking at where the shadows fall....
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Hi Carol
Many thanks for your reply..
I believe the man that is/ was circled was a carter/ coachman for Brewery....what is a bit confusing about the picture is that they all look well off for the time...
Just to add he didn’t have a son.(well as far as I’m aware)....
Many thanks though.🙂
Almost all men had one good outfit..maybe the man with his hand on the guy in fronts shoulder could be a Brother, this is a sign of some form of relationship. I wonder if it was a Brewery Outing.
Carol
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Hi Carol
Many thanks for your reply..
I believe the man that is/ was circled was a carter/ coachman for Brewery....what is a bit confusing about the picture is that they all look well off for the time...
Just to add he didn’t have a son.(well as far as I’m aware)....
Many thanks though.🙂
Almost all men had one good outfit..maybe the man with his hand on the guy in fronts shoulder could be a Brother, this is a sign of some form of relationship. I wonder if it was a Brewery Outing.
Carol
Carol you could just be right...re one good outfit...and yes a good possibility a brother.....and again yes a brewery outing.....awwww many thanks for getting back on the photo..really appreciate it.
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I thought it was quite unusual for so many of them to be smoking and hatless in a posed photo !
*Correction several are holding their hats quite a few different styles from caps to boaters
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I thought it was quite unusual for so many of them to be smoking and hat less in a posed photo !
Many thanks brigidmac for your thoughts...if only we could ask them 😂
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I wonder if it is a photo of a 'Pleasant Sunday Afternoon Society'?
These were Men's Societies, usually attached to a Church - who met -- as the name suggests -- on a Sunday afternoon. It was supposed to stop them from going to the pub!!
There is a very similar photo of the 'Zion Pleasant Sunday Afternoon Society' below. Many towns had them in the late 1800s - early 1900s.
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I wonder if it is a photo of a 'Pleasant Sunday Afternoon Society'?
These were Men's Societies, usually attached to a Church - who met -- as the name suggests -- on a Sunday afternoon. It was supposed to stop them from going to the pub!!
There is a very similar photo of the 'Zion Pleasant Sunday Afternoon Society' below. Many towns had them in the late 1800s - early 1900s.
Hello Pennines
Well that’s really interesting ....and there is certainly a likeness in the photos....thank you so much for taking the trouble to post ..I wonder !! 🙂
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I was just wondering where in Lancashire, you thought your photo may have been taken please.
We could then check on line Newspapers to see if there is a mention in that town of such a Society. (Just a thought, because your photo may be nothing to do with such a thing!)
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I was just wondering where in Lancashire, you thought your photo may have been taken please.
We could then check on line Newspapers to see if there is a mention in that town of such a Society. (Just a thought, because your photo may be nothing to do with such a thing!)
Hi again Pennies
Thank you for your reply...I am sorry to say at this stage I’m unsure of the area ...so I wouldn’t like to pin it down....🙂
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I wonder if it is a photo of a 'Pleasant Sunday Afternoon Society'?
These were Men's Societies, usually attached to a Church - who met -- as the name suggests -- on a Sunday afternoon. It was supposed to stop them from going to the pub!!
There is a very similar photo of the 'Zion Pleasant Sunday Afternoon Society' below. Many towns had them in the late 1800s - early 1900s.
I posted a similar photo on the photo forum asking for a date and the purpose of the gathering
I closed the topic see below
thanks for all the help
lesson learnt that access to the original photo will maximise chance to get a result
learnt that others looking always gives a different perspective
learnt that speculation helps but can also send you down blind alleys
what I can say
probably a club or society gathering, highly likely in London
roughly circa 1900-1909, although likely in the earlier part of that range
No one mentioned the pleasant sunday afternoon societies but now it makes more sense than any of the other responses particularly after reading the article on google, link below
https://www.richmondhistory.org.uk/wordpress/history-of-richmond/richmonds-congregational-church-vineyard/pleasant-sunday-afternoons-late-victorian-richmond-glimpse-1893-94/
In the article it states the movement started in the West Midlands in 1875
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The popularity of the meetings spread over the next ten years throughout the Black Country, across the Midlands and then beyond. The first meeting in London were held in 1888 in Tottenham and five years later the movement spread south of the Thames to Richmond in Surrey.
This is very informative and as the location of my great grandfather in that period was in SW London the purpose of the gathering could well be a pleasant sunday afternoon society.
regards
Tony
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No smokers in either of those two group photos .
I am curious about why oñe man is standing on a soap box ...next to the rest of the group .
It was him who I thought might have been pasted on ...(and the face of the guy in hat seated nearby).I have seen a picture where someone from WW1 had been added into a scene ...so know it could be possible .
Will any of the clues lead to solving this mystery .?
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Tony -- thank you for your reply. At least you know such a society existed in your area of interest and it is a possibility - but with any such gathering, unless there is an insignia or a definite sign - it is unfortunately still speculation.
I am from Lancashire and I know these societies spread northwards as well. There was definitely one in my town. You can often find articles in the old local newspapers about their meetings. It could be worth placing your photo in the local newspaper now and asking if anyone has any idea what it may be -- someone may recognise one of their ancestors!! You never know.
Brigidmac - yes I noticed the lack of people smoking also - but I don't know if smoking was forbidden in these societies (I doubt it in those days actually, but I really don't know.)
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Could the man far left be standing on a beer crate?
Carol
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I wonder if it is a photo of a 'Pleasant Sunday Afternoon Society'?
These were Men's Societies, usually attached to a Church - who met -- as the name suggests -- on a Sunday afternoon. It was supposed to stop them from going to the pub!!
There is a very similar photo of the 'Zion Pleasant Sunday Afternoon Society' below. Many towns had them in the late 1800s - early 1900s.
I posted a similar photo on the photo forum asking for a date and the purpose of the gathering
I closed the topic see below
thanks for all the help
lesson learnt that access to the original photo will maximise chance to get a result
learnt that others looking always gives a different perspective
learnt that speculation helps but can also send you down blind alleys
what I can say
probably a club or society gathering, highly likely in London
roughly circa 1900-1909, although likely in the earlier part of that range
No one mentioned the pleasant sunday afternoon societies but now it makes more sense than any of the other responses particularly after reading the article on google, link below
https://www.richmondhistory.org.uk/wordpress/history-of-richmond/richmonds-congregational-church-vineyard/pleasant-sunday-afternoons-late-victorian-richmond-glimpse-1893-94/
In the article it states the movement started in the West Midlands in 1875
quote
The popularity of the meetings spread over the next ten years throughout the Black Country, across the Midlands and then beyond. The first meeting in London were held in 1888 in Tottenham and five years later the movement spread south of the Thames to Richmond in Surrey.
This is very informative and as the location of my great grandfather in that period was in SW London the purpose of the gathering could well be a pleasant sunday afternoon society.
regards
Tony
Very interesting Tony ..your photo is very similar to the one I posted and I notice some of the gentleman in your picture also have what looks like badges in their lapels...learn something new every day 🙂
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Thank you all for your interest in the photo....
Pennines I think it very likely what you say, Pleasant Sunday Afternoon Meeting and it is quite possible one such meeting that the photo was taken...thank you.
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Third man from the left front row in the RBwhite picture is holding a pipe - suggests he was a smoker.
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I gave it a clean for you.
Carol
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...and a black & white version.
Carol
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Hello Carol
Thank you so much for doing your magic on the photo, I really appreciate what you have done ...you have done a beautiful job...thank you again.
And thank all the wonderful/kind people on Roots who give their time and expert restores, you are amazing.......
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What a lovely response :-* ....it makes what we do on here so much more worth while :D
Carol
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I totally agree Carol - re responses. It makes such a difference.
I also agree with you Artisann -- I have no idea how these restores are done -- as I am technically inept!
Both the recent ones by Carol and the earlier ones by Mcgroger are brilliant. They make such a difference to the original. I am in awe!
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On behalf of Peter and myself...may I say how heartwarming it is for you to show your appreciation for what we do Pennines...we are all good in different areas and any input on roots, in whatever form, is valuable :-*
It means a lot, Thank you :D
Carol