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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Perthshire => Topic started by: NormanS on Tuesday 10 September 19 13:19 BST (UK)
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Hello,
I wonder if anyone would be kind enough to help me please. I am desperately trying to find out what happened to my 3rd Great Grandparents – James Stewart and Catherine Taylor. I have searched the census records on Scotland’s People, Ancestry and Find My Past together with the death records on Scotland’s People but to no avail.
If someone else could also take a look to check I’m not missing anything or give me any ideas on what to try next, it would be very much appreciated.
Here are the basic facts:-
31 March 1799 - Catherine Taylor was born in Moneydie. Parents were John Taylor and Janet Pearson.
27 May 1821 - James Stewart married Catherine Taylor in Moneydie.
1841 Census – James and Catherine are living at Crossgates, Redgorton with 3 of their children.
9 Dec 1841 – Their final child, James Stewart, was born at Crossgates, Redgorton.
23 Feb 1849 – Their daughter Elspeth married Angus McIntosh at Redgorton. Her address was the family home at Crossgates.
9 Apr 1849 – Elspeth’s first child Cathrine was born at Redgorton.
I have been unable to find any other trace of James Stewart senior (date and place of birth unknown which is why I want to find the family on the next census so that I can go further back along James’ family line), Catherine Taylor/Stewart or James Stewart junior. I really need to find them on the 1851 census but I am not having any luck at all. I have managed to ‘trace and track’ some of their other children including my 2nd Great grandfather, William Stewart.
According to William’s marriage certificate in Dec 1857, both his parents were still alive however when William died in Nov 1862, both his parents are recorded as deceased.
Many thanks in anticipation.
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According to William’s marriage certificate in Dec 1857, both his parents were still alive however when William died in Nov 1862, both his parents are recorded as deceased.
Hi NormanS
On this marriage certificate, does it state what James Stewart's occupation is/was?
Also welcome to Rootschat! ;D
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Hi Liviani,
Thanks for getting back to me. James Stewart’s occupation was ‘Flesher’. His son William was also a Flesher who was resident in Perth when he married.
Regards
NormanSyrf
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There is a James Stewart, age 50, Catherine, age 54, Isobel age 30, & Janet, age 14 on the 1851 census for Auchtergaven, both James & isobel were listed as born in Redgorton, Catherine as Foulis, Janet as Kinclaven. However, James is down as a retired Slater.
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According to FreeCen there is the following family at High Street, Blairgowrie, Perthshire in 1851
James Stewart, 49, Butcher born Blair Atholl
Catherine Stewart, 39, wife born Blair Atholl
But I get the feeling this isn't the family as there are 7 children living here; Elizabeth, Alexander, William, Margaret, Ann, James and Peter all born Blair Atholl.
Is it possible the occupation on William's marriage certificate says Slater rather than Flesher? Could he have changed occupation, and lastly, could the family/parents have emigrated between 1841 and 1851?
EDIT; though do remember that census info isn't infallible and I've seen wrong info like this before.
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Possible for the slater James Stewart in 1861 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VBHM-J8X
Possible death index on SP for the slater;
STEWART
JAMES
65
ROBERTSON
1863
330/ 16
Auchtergaven
Possible death index on SP for the Butcher in Blairgowrie
STEWART
JAMES
64
KENNEDY
1861
335/ 30
Blairgowrie
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Interesting!!! The Isabel in 1851 census was born 1823 to Daniel Stewart & Catherine Taylor on Scotlands People in Redgorton but there is no marriage for a Daniel to a Catherine on record. Have viewed the birth record & it is not a transcribe error. James & Catherine were married in Methven.
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Interesting!!! The Isabel in 1851 census was born 1823 to Daniel Stewart & Catherine Taylor on Scotlands People in Redgorton but there is no marriage for a Daniel to a Catherine on record. Have viewed the birth record & it is not a transcribe error. James & Catherine were married in Methven.
Isabel possibly illegitimate? Did the OPR baptism state "natural child" etc?
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Lawful daughter. I think the 1851 census record is for James S & Catherine Carmichael with their daughter, Janet. Only birth of 1 child that I can find for James S & Cath. T is a James, born 1841 in Redgorton. There are 2 births for Daniel S & Cath. T Isabel 1823 & James 1825.
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A John was born to a James Stewart and Catherine Taylor 1835 in Fowlis Wester
A Christian in 1821 in Moneydie
A Janet Peddie Stewart Fowlus Wester on 1828
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CORRECTION On the 1841 census they are under Steward which made it difficult. Children, Hellen, Elspeth & John. James is still to be born.
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Thanks ever so much for all your feedback, it is much appreciated :). Please see further info:-
Marriage Banns for James S and Catherine T were read in Moneydie and Methven.
I have details of the following children:-
Christian - born Moneydie 1821 (SP)
Elspeth - born Methven 1825 (no birth record)
Janet Peddie - born Fowlis Wester 1828 (SP)
William - born Redgorton c1832 (no birth record)
Helen - born Methven 1833 (no birth record)
John - born Fowlis Wester 1835 (SP)
James - born Redgorton 1841 (SP)
They're definitely resident in Crossgates, Redgorton until 1849.
William's marriage certificate definitely states the occupation for James, and William, as Flesher, not Slater.
Catherine was definitely born in Moneydie in 1799, not Blair Atholl.
I have considered the possibility that James, Catherine and James junior may have emigrated to Australia after 1849 but have been unable to find any evidence to support this.
I know that Elspeth, after her marriage to Angus McIntosh, lived in Perth until at least 1891.
John died in 1869 in Logiealmond and William died in 1862 in Crieff.
Many thanks
Norman
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I think Janet Peddie was at the Taylor's house in Logiealmond for the 1841 census under the name Jannet, age 12. John 65, Jannet, 65 and 2 others, Margaret 25, & Jannet 20. Catharine Taylor's parents were John T & Janet Pearson
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Thanks for this. It’s much appreciated. I agree that this looks much like Janet Peddie Stewart :). Still drawing a blank on the 1851 census but have checked the death certificate for Janet Taylor and this has enabled me to go further back on the Taylor side thank you.
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I have searched the census records on Scotland’s People, Ancestry and Find My Past together with the death records on Scotland’s People but to no avail.
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=714261.0
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Hi Norman, I must be related to you. James Stewart and Catherine Taylor are my 4 x great grandparents. I am descended from their daughter Elspeth Stewart who married Angus McIntosh and their son James McIntosh who was borin in Perth in 1865 but moved to Thornaby, North Yorkshire, England and married his wife from Dowlais, South Wales. He died in Thornaby in 1920 and I still live around that area.
On Ancestry, I have found the census records for James Stewart and Catherine nee Taylor for 1841, 1851 and 1861. For Catherine on her own I have found her on the 1871 census as a widow. All of them say that Catherine was born in Fowlis Wester, Perthshire. How did you find her birth in Moneydie?
I have just found this thread today and I'm so pleased. I've been trying to research my family tree for over 20 years and I have always hit a dead end with my Scottish ancestors.
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Hi, I have spent years now trying to figure out the puzzle of my own Stewart grandmother (3X). It may be that some of the records I've collected might have some information that would help you. My Mary Stewart was born at Madderty, the daughter of either Duncan Stewart and Jean Miller, or Alexander Stewart and Ann Neish. Both girls were baptised on the same day in 1826. (I've ruled out another Mary from Madderty, who was born the following year to John Stewart and Janet Foulis.) In the course of trying to find Mary, I've traced some records of all three families, and also some of the Stewarts at Dunning, who are possibly related in some way. If anyone has any connection to any of these Stewarts, I would be glad to compare information, if only to eliminate possibilities. In particular, it would be helpful if anyone has a death record for a Mary Stewart, born Madderty, as it is impractical to keep buying records of every Mary Stewart born that year. (there are 136 deaths of a Mary Stewart, born 1826, on SP)
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Hi there :)
There is a family tree on Ancestry www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/1578746/person/-795153052/facts (you need a subs to view, don't know if you have this).
It has Mary Stewart, daughter of Duncan Stewart and Jean Miller, as having married an Alexander McPhee in 1855. Her death on 13 March 1902 Kingussie, Inverness-shire. Family's 1881 census entry in Kingussie and Insh here:
Alexander McPhee 60
Mary McPhee 55 b. Madderty
Sarah McPhee 22
Augus McPhee 13
Duncan McPhee 9
Donald Douglas 7 Grandchild
Jessie Sim 4 Grandchild
Jamesina Anderson 1 Grandchild
Marriage likely just before 1855 and the start of official registration (can't see it post 1855). You could check this Mary's death reg to discount from your list.
Monica
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From some years ago, Andy added this reponse to a post:
The 1861 census has the following
Auchterarder Road, Dunning
Mary Stewart 34 born Madderty Perthshire, field labourer
William Scott 8 son born Crieff, Perthshire
John Cameron 5 son born Trinity Gask, Perthshire
A check of Familysearch suggests that John Cameron birth was registered Trinity Gask as John Stewart, born 4th October 1855 mother Mary Stewart, no father mentioned. This would suggest John was illegitimate.
I think I read that you had William Scott in 1871 in Dundee. Did you manage to find Mary Stewart in later censuses? John Cameron/Stewart/Stuart in later censuses?
Guessing you have not been able to find a death cert for Mary?
Was Mary still showing as alive when her son William married? What year was this?
Monica
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Hi Monica. Yes, the Mary at Dunning in 1861 seems to be my Mary. I've also found her two sons in 1871 at Buttergash, Cargill. After that, I haven't found William's brother John Cameron. When William married Elizabeth Cameron in 1876 it would seem that his parents were alive, but it also has them as married so it looks like there was a bit of... flexibility with the truth shall we say. When William died only his mother was recorded. I've had a bit more luck with the Madderty families. I found the death record for Janet Foulis' daughter, which proved that she wasn't my Mary, so I have two couples to choose from. Unfortunately, in 1841 neither of their Marys was with her parents. Jean Miller had died, and Duncan had remarried and was living in Crieff. Alexander Stewart and Ann Neish had moved to Fowlis Wester. By 1851, Ann was a widow. One possibility for Mary in 1871 is a relative living with the Chalmers family at Dunning. Grace Chalmers was born Stewart. The census states that both Grace and that Mary were from Auchtergavin, but I'm not ready to rule her out as the farmer at Buttergash, who John and William were working for, was also a Chalmers and that seems like too much of a coincidence. I have been trying to work out if Duncan or Alexander had any link with the numerous Stewart families in the Auchtergaven area. So you see there are plenty of jigsaw pieces, but its difficult to know which ones are from which picture. This is a puzzle I keep going back to.
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The Alexander Stewart in this thread https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=845893.0 is the grandson of an Alexander Stewart from Redgorton.