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Some Special Interests => Heraldry Crests and Coats of Arms => Topic started by: slathrop on Tuesday 10 September 19 09:35 BST (UK)
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Aloha,
My father was a Pettigrew and I have been doing some research into the family history. It seems the name may be Norman in origin with some alleged roots in Ireland, Scotland and England.
I have been trying to identify a verifiable family crest or coat of arms for Pettigrew and I don't trust those sites that sell you coats of arms as they seem rather disreputable.
Does anyone have a link to an actual registered Pettigrew family crest/coat of arms?
mahalo,
Shawn
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There is no such thing as a "family" coat-of-arms ;D ;D
A coat-of-arms is granted to a named individual - and it is his heirs that can continue to use them.
FAQs from the College of Arms:
Q. Do coats of arms belong to surnames?
A. No. There is no such thing as a 'coat of arms for a surname'. Many people of the same surname will often be entitled to completely different coats of arms, and many of that surname will be entitled to no coat of arms. Coats of arms belong to individuals. For any person to have a right to a coat of arms they must either have had it granted to them or be descended in the legitimate male line from a person to whom arms were granted or confirmed in the past.
Q. What is a crest?
A. It is a popular misconception that the word 'crest' describes a whole coat of arms or any heraldic device. It does not. A crest is a specific part of a full achievement of arms: the three-dimensional object placed on top of the helm.
www.college-of-arms.gov.uk/resources/faqs
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Welcome to Rootshat Slathrop,
Do not waste money on one of the sites that tries to con you into buying a coat of arms.
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The General Armory gives only one entry for Pettigrew -
Regards
Chas
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This is what that looks like -
Regards
Chas
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A slightly different spelling of Pettigrew
Pettegrew Scotland: Gu an Increscent betw three mullets or
Crest: An increscent gu
Motto: Sine sobs nihil
Increscent means the crescent is on its side facing the dexter (left) side of the shield as you look at it.
Fisherman
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There do not seem to be any entries in An Ordinary of Arms Contained in the Public Register of all Arms and Bearings in Scotland which covers the period from around 1672 to 1901. This evening, if time permits, I will look in my copies of An Ordinary of Scottish Arms pre-1672 and Volume 2 An Ordinary of Arms Contained in the Public Register of all Arms and Bearings in Scotland which goes to 1973.
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According to "Black" this name is more common in Lanarkshire than anywhere else & Glasgow in particular. There were small land-owners there going back to the late 13th century with a Thomas Petykrue being the first on record. Lanark, Linlithgow & Glasgow all John Pettigrew's, another in the Barony. Sir Mabut Pedigrew, clerk of the Monklands in 1518 & another John Pettigrove, the Green, Lanark in 1718. No two with the same spelling, Sir Mabut sounds a bit armigerous mebbes?
Skoosh.
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There do not seem to be any entries in An Ordinary of Arms Contained in the Public Register of all Arms and Bearings in Scotland which covers the period from around 1672 to 1901. This evening, if time permits, I will look in my copies of An Ordinary of Scottish Arms pre-1672 and Volume 2 An Ordinary of Arms Contained in the Public Register of all Arms and Bearings in Scotland which goes to 1973.
The pre-1672 Ordinary has 6 entries from 5 different ancient heraldic rolls but without any biographical or geographical details except that for Pettigrew of Pettigrew "Gules 3 mullets and between them a crescent Argent". Pettigrew of Pettigrew (or of that Ilk) would be the Chief/Head of the Name & Arms of Pettigrew.
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"Of that ilk!" means of that place, Pettigrew?
Skoosh.
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"Of that ilk!" means of that place, Pettigrew?
Skoosh.
Sorry, but no. It refers to the people, not the place.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Of_that_Ilk (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Of_that_Ilk)
Regards
Chas
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Well Chas, the Scottish National Dictionary gives "Of that Ilk!" as "A person so designated who has the same surname as his property or title". Moncreiffe of that Ilk, (oldest family in Perthshire in the same line, for example,) takes his monicker from the Hill of Moncreiffe, later made into a barony of the same name. The examples quoted in Wiki of Anstruther & MacLachlan of that Ilk, are from the place-names of Anstruther & in the case of MacLachlan his address of Castle Lachlan, Strathlachlan. Blair of Blair is also of territorial origin, (no scarcety of places called Blair!) as indeed are the oldest of Scotland's surnames. The Wiki, "Of that Ilks!" examples quoted, is largely a list of places.
Their giving Balfour of Shaws, (a piece of fiction,) is irrelevant RLS well knew that he couldn't use Balfour of that Ilk as that was a place in Fife & the name was taken.
"Pettigrew of that Ilk" implies a place in the Glasgow area so-called. The only one which springs to mind was a department store called Pettigrew's in Sauchiehall Street! ;D
Skoosh.
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I think, Skoosh, we are arguing on the same side. It certainly started off as a place, but quickly became the synonymous with the people. Since the abolition of feudal tenure it has no link to a place at all.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Of_that_Ilk (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Of_that_Ilk)
Regards
Chas