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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Gloucestershire => Topic started by: SamuelF992 on Thursday 05 September 19 22:27 BST (UK)
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Good evening everyone,
I've not yet found a death record for George Elsbury (b. Bristol, 1867). I'd kind of forgot about it but my aunt came to stay last week and told me that apparently he had taken his life after his wife (Sarah E. Marshall, 1873-1910) passed away. This would make sense as he isn't in the 1911 census and their children are all living with relatives or lodging. However, I still can't find a record of his death in the BMD index. I know suicide was taboo at this time but surely someone would still have had to register his death? There's a record of a George Elsbury born around 1867 dying in Dorchester in 1915, but the place and the timing doesn't seem right. Any help is appreciated.
Best wishes
Samuel
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A connection of mine died in Dorchester prison an alcoholic.
So maybe this newspaper article is pertinent.
I’m on my phone so can’t get you the whole piece but this is the abstract. He is of Bristol. Was given to drink And was sent to the Asylum.
“George Elsbury was summoned for cruelty to his children. The case was adjourned from Sovember 29th, in order that the defendant might be medically examined by the prison doctor with a view to ascertaining the state of his
December 7, 1909 - Western Daily
Added. 4 children ranging in age from 2 to 12
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Oh wow, that's quite a find. Can I ask where you saw it? Can't see it on Newspapers.com. Fascinating if it's him.
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I looked at it on FindMyPast. But you would be able to see it on the British newspaper archive. You can have three free looks there before you have to pay
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The 1895 marriage reg shows surname as Ellsbury as does Sarah's death reg
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also there is this
UK Lunacy Patients Admission
No7384 George Elsbury admitted 6 Dec (no year given) Asylum Bristol (then Dorset written in pencil) assume he was admitted to Bristol and transferred to Dorset) Death 21 Sept 1915
So the Dorchester death reg looks like it is the correct one
Suz
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Thank you, have found it. Really interesting article. Everything seems bang on. It says he had four children whose ages ranged from 2-12. He actually had five, but his eldest was born in 1897 and the youngest 1907, and my aunt also mentioned my great-grandfather had been sent to the workhouse. Seems to likely to be wrong, perhaps the newspaper misreported the number of children?
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The 1895 marriage reg shows surname as Ellsbury as does Sarah's death reg
Thank you
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also there is this
UK Lunacy Patients Admission
No7384 George Elsbury admitted 6 Dec (no year given) Asylum Bristol (then Dorset written in pencil) assume he was admitted to Bristol and transferred to Dorset) Death 21 Sept 1915
So the Dorchester death reg looks like it is the correct one
Suz
Looking more and more likely, thank you for this.
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the newspaper report is dated 7th Dec 1909 -so from the Lunacy register date of admittance is 6 Dec (so probably) 1909 -and at some point during 6 years he must have gone to Dorset Institution
Suz
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Hi Samuel,
I hate to ask this but do you have the death cert for Sarah?
Maureen
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Looking at past messages regarding Lunatic Asylums - and census returns - it does say only initials were written down. For example
1911 Census, Bristol City and County Lunatic Asylum Bristol, Fishponds Bristol, Registration District 319, Piece 15058
We have
R D age 64 occupation, etc etc
G C age 62
W J C age56
S A G aged55
T T age 53
There are pages on patients listed
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If Sarah Elizabeth was known as Elizabeth and passed away in 1910 - assume the 1901 census for Bristol, has George Elsbury - aged 33 (c1868) occupation Boot Maker - born Bristol with children Lily aged 4 and George aged 1.
Checking again the 1911 for Bristol, Stapleton and the patients in the Lunatic Asylum listed only by initials
Page 152 of 243 No. 26 is
G.E. aged 44, Widower, Occupation: Shoemaker born Bristol
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GRO INDEX
BIRTH REG
ELSBURY, mother's maiden name: MARSHALL
Lily ELSBURY, 1897 - J Qtr in Barton Regis - Volume 06A Page 110
George ELSBURY, 1900 - M Qtr in BRISTOL - Volume 06A Page 190
James Alfred ELSBURY, 1902 S Qtr in BRISTOL - Volume 06A Page 185
Florence Ada ELSBURY, 1905 M Qtr in BRISTOL - Volume 06A Page 202
Frederick Charles ELSBURY - 1907 D Qtr in BRISTOL - Volume 06A Page 173
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GRO INDEX
BIRTH REG
ELSBURY, mother's maiden name: MARSHALL
Lily ELSBURY, 1897 - J Qtr in Barton Regis - Volume 06A Page 110
George ELSBURY, 1900 - M Qtr in BRISTOL - Volume 06A Page 190
James Alfred ELSBURY, 1902 S Qtr in BRISTOL - Volume 06A Page 185
Florence Ada ELSBURY, 1905 M Qtr in BRISTOL - Volume 06A Page 202
Frederick Charles ELSBURY - 1907 D Qtr in BRISTOL - Volume 06A Page 173
This last child may not have been born at the time of the newspaper report
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The previously quoted Newspaper report (British Newspapers on Line) was Published, Tuesday 7 December 1909
Headed: Sad Case of Cruelty in Bristol.
The last child, Frederick Charles Elsbury's birth registered: D Quarter 1907
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Tree on Ancestry gives mother's death A/M/J Qtr 1910, Bristol
Ancestry:
Name: Sarah Elizabeth ELLSBURY
dob: 1874
Registration year: 1910 A/M/J Qtr 1910
Age: 36
Bristol, Gloucestershire, Volume: 6a Page 60
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Lillie ELSBURY aged 14 and Freddie ELSBURY aged 3 - Niece and Nephew are living with Alfred ISAACS, wife Ruth and family in Bristol.
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There is a
Mary Jane ELSBURY - death June Qtr 1909 - Bristol, Age O
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Hi Samuel,
I hate to ask this but do you have the death cert for Sarah?
Maureen
Hi Maureen,
I don't, but I've ordered both hers and George's.
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If Sarah Elizabeth was known as Elizabeth and passed away in 1910 - assume the 1901 census for Bristol, has George Elsbury - aged 33 (c1868) occupation Boot Maker - born Bristol with children Lily aged 4 and George aged 1.
Checking again the 1911 for Bristol, Stapleton and the patients in the Lunatic Asylum listed only by initials
Page 152 of 243 No. 26 is
G.E. aged 44, Widower, Occupation: Shoemaker born Bristol
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GRO INDEX
BIRTH REG
ELSBURY, mother's maiden name: MARSHALL
Lily ELSBURY, 1897 - J Qtr in Barton Regis - Volume 06A Page 110
George ELSBURY, 1900 - M Qtr in BRISTOL - Volume 06A Page 190
James Alfred ELSBURY, 1902 S Qtr in BRISTOL - Volume 06A Page 185
Florence Ada ELSBURY, 1905 M Qtr in BRISTOL - Volume 06A Page 202
Frederick Charles ELSBURY - 1907 D Qtr in BRISTOL - Volume 06A Page 173
Oh, great find. That has to be him!
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The previously quoted Newspaper report (British Newspapers on Line) was Published, Tuesday 7 December 1909
Headed: Sad Case of Cruelty in Bristol.
The last child, Frederick Charles Elsbury's birth registered: D Quarter 1907
Oops, shouldn’t do these things too early in the am. :)
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The previously quoted Newspaper report (British Newspapers on Line) was Published, Tuesday 7 December 1909
Headed: Sad Case of Cruelty in Bristol.
The last child, Frederick Charles Elsbury's birth registered: D Quarter 1907
Oops, shouldn’t do these things too early in the am. :)
Haha, no worries! Thank you for helping out. :)
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Hi
Regarding death certificates - by getting George's as a PDF from the GRO online this may produce answers. I got the death certificate for the husband of my great aunt ( my mother told me he had committed suicide after her death) and it did show this fact. It was put nicely as in " Died coal gas poisoning self administered whilst the balance of his mind was disturbed". So you may find something similar that proves it was him.