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Title: Isaac Feiler and Fanny Swartzman
Post by: suziq on Thursday 05 September 19 14:15 BST (UK)
I wonder if anyone can help me please  ???
I am looking for the marriage of Isaac and Fanny, on their Naturalization paper it says they were subjects of Russia having been born in Zawosht(?) Lublin.
I would also like to know when they came to England, their eldest son is 10 in 1891 and was born in Russia but their next son is 8 and was born in London.
Thank you looking :)
Title: Re: Isaac Feiler and Fanny Swartzman
Post by: philipsearching on Thursday 05 September 19 20:06 BST (UK)
Incoming passenger lists are on Ancestry
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/collections/bt26/?name=isaac_feiler
(I don't have a sub at the moment, so I can't check full details)

If Isaac and Fanny are on the 1911 census it should give the number of years married which would narrow down the search for a marriage.

Philip
Title: Re: Isaac Feiler and Fanny Swartzman
Post by: brigidmac on Thursday 05 September 19 20:53 BST (UK)
What town were they in ?
It may be possible to find school records for the children
My ancestors arrived in Manchester in 1890 from Jewish pogroms in Russia

Some school records give
dates of birth + schoo entry date .parents or guardian .s name address and previous school or date of leaving.
Manchester Jewish school held detailed records as did the 1900-4 records of a Birkenhead C of E school
Tho the children's names got gradually more angliscized over the years.good luck.
Title: Re: Isaac Feiler and Fanny Swartzman
Post by: brigidmac on Thursday 05 September 19 20:57 BST (UK)
Ps that incoming document is incoming from new york
To Glasgow. #. Orig Document says Liverpool

  aged 40
Title: Re: Isaac Feiler and Fanny Swartzman
Post by: philipsearching on Thursday 05 September 19 21:15 BST (UK)
Ps that incoming document is incoming from new york
To Glasgow aged 40

I wondered about  Isaac S FAILOR to Southampton, I VALOR to Southampton or I FIELLER to Bristol (less likely?) - these seem to be the likeliest candidates now you have eliminated Aizik FEILER.

Philip.

Title: Re: Isaac Feiler and Fanny Swartzman
Post by: brigidmac on Thursday 05 September 19 21:33 BST (UK)
On 1891 census Isaac is a fishmonger and there are 5 more you g children on the next page of the census

Children's names may be important. In finding grandparents names on wedding certs
* Abraham 10
Harry 8
Sarah 5
Bernard 3
Samuel 1
Alice 1 mth
Title: Re: Isaac Feiler and Fanny Swartzman
Post by: brigidmac on Thursday 05 September 19 21:42 BST (UK)
1911
Isaac is in London
Daughter Alice age 20 is fishmongers assistant
The older children and Fanny not on census but 5 more children
Title: Re: Isaac Feiler and Fanny Swartzman
Post by: brigidmac on Thursday 05 September 19 21:47 BST (UK)
Children born in Clerkenwell
Then spittalfieilds
Annie 18
Maurice 16 a musician in theatre ...maybe there will be some publications about him .

Title: Re: Isaac Feiler and Fanny Swartzman
Post by: brigidmac on Thursday 05 September 19 21:50 BST (UK)
I'm on a roll ..there is a birth for Isaak Feiler in Sambor Ukraine 1870
And marriages births for Isaak Feer 1887 and 1891 Sambor can't see details maybe Abrahams birth
Title: Re: Isaac Feiler and Fanny Swartzman
Post by: brigidmac on Thursday 05 September 19 22:15 BST (UK)
Suzi a  you are very lucky

Isaac's naturalisation document 1902 is on Ancestry
He's age 45 living in Clerkenwell
Son of Abraham + ..Leah
Fishmonger residing in this country 5 years and intending to stay
10 children named and
On the next page you get to see his signature
Title: Re: Isaac Feiler and Fanny Swartzman
Post by: suziq on Friday 06 September 19 12:45 BST (UK)
Many thanks for all your help  :)
Title: Re: Isaac Feiler and Fanny Swartzman
Post by: brigidmac on Friday 06 September 19 18:48 BST (UK)
You are welcome .It led me to look at my ancestors siblings naturalization documents and to more potential matches.

Mum is only a Quarter Russia n Jewish so when we find name matches it helps join dots
Her DNA matches to people with Swarz.and Swarzman in their trees
Title: Re: Isaac Feiler and Fanny Swartzman
Post by: brigidmac on Friday 06 September 19 19:38 BST (UK)
Mum's DNA. Matches people with Feiler names
Do you connect
With any ?
Hirsh Tsvi FEILER B1780
M
m CHaya Border d 1870
Son wolf 1800-1865 m Blema
Yitzchok b1830
M Blema

Moshe Feiler b1850  d 1919 son of Yitzchok

M sheindel
Son Sam shimson Feiler b1883
M Annie einwohner d 1945
Died NYork 1966




Another match has an Erwin christen Feiler d1965 m Ann e Springer
Son sol F 1916 born 1916

The 3rd has jack FEILER b 1909
m Marsha Feiler

None seem to have traced pre USA
But they seem to match with people who do  have my Fellman and Landsman with Latvian russian ancestors I'm particularly interested in any Spouses called Fanny b.about 1850