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Title: Baptism Look-up Needed
Post by: Anita Grant Steele on Thursday 05 September 19 08:08 BST (UK)

Hello. I'm having trouble reading the following Baptism. Can someone please clarify the missing and illegible words in italics? Thanks in advance!l

The index reads, 10/14/1735; William Coban; Grant/ James/ Coban  or Cumine and Beatrice Grant

Cabon - To James Coban alias Cumine & Beatrice Grant born ill was Bapnt in t. this 10 April & presented by Duncan Grant in Knock [illegible] the parents being under [illegible]

Would Cumine be the same as Cumming?
The index says the child's name is William, but I'm not seeing that in the actual register? could this be an error, then?

Title: Re: Baptism Look-up Needed
Post by: conahy calling on Thursday 05 September 19 08:14 BST (UK)

What country, religious denomination and Parish is it? please

Title: Re: Baptism Look-up Needed
Post by: candrjm on Thursday 05 September 19 08:22 BST (UK)

Looks like here:

https://www.familysearch.org/search/record/results?givenname=william&surname=coban&birth_year_from=1735&birth_year_to=1735

CROMDALE AND INVERALLAN AND ADVIE,INVERNESS,SCOTLAND

Added: (without seeing the actual image just an educated guess)

by Duncan Grant in Knock [illegible]  Maybe??  Knockando

http://www..org.uk/descriptions/101310


born ill was Bapnt in t. this 10 April   Probably illegitimate/illegitimately

Title: Re: Baptism Look-up Needed
Post by: Anita Grant Steele on Thursday 05 September 19 19:11 BST (UK)

Hello & thanks for your replies candrjm and conahey calling.

Yes, it was Cromdale & Inverallan and from the OPRs.

The entry states at the end the child was presented by Duncan Grant because the parents being under ??.
Does anyone have an idea what that was?

Thanks, again.

Title: Re: Baptism Look-up Needed
Post by: candrjm on Sunday 08 September 19 14:43 BST (UK)

Any chance you can post a copy of the actual parts of the record for us to see. You aren't allowed to post the whole record due to copyright rules.

Title: Re: Baptism Look-up Needed
Post by: Girl Guide on Sunday 08 September 19 15:10 BST (UK)

Hopefully this is readable!

Title: Re: Baptism Look-up Needed
Post by: Daisypetal on Saturday 14 September 19 01:54 BST (UK)

Hi,

I think the place is Knockfrank, I found this on a very old map "Knockfranck o Tulnan",

https://maps.nls.uk/pont/view/?id=pont08#zoom=5&lat=1493&lon=92&layers=BT

I think it became Knockfrink / Knock Frink,

https://maps.nls.uk/geo/find/#zoom=15&lat=57.3852&lon=-3.4572&layers=102&b=10&point=0,0

The National Library of Scotland have a great selection of maps through time.


If you Google "Woods of Knockfrink" it's still there  :)



I think it says "the parents being under scandal" but  don't know what that means  :-\


Regards,
Daisy

Title: Re: Baptism Look-up Needede
Post by: Anita Grant Steele on Saturday 14 September 19 03:34 BST (UK)

Hello, Daisy, and thank you so much! 

I got Knock frank out of the record, but when I tried to look it up, came up empty handed. I thought it perhaps had changed names or perhaps no longer existed.

What a great map!  Thank you!  I notice the map is titled Map of Murray. Is that the same as Moray?  I did look up the Woods - I didn't realize it was so close to Grantown.
Also, a very pretty area.

I agree the parents were "under scandal" - now that you've made it recognizable!  ???   :)

All questions answered. Thank you very much, Daisy!
Anita

Title: Re: Baptism Look-up Needed
Post by: Daisypetal on Saturday 14 September 19 18:25 BST (UK)

Hi,

Yes I think Murray and Moray are the same place.

I found this and although it isn't directly about your baptism it may be about the reasons for being "under scandal".

You might be able to find the Kirk Sessions here,

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ocy/


Daisy

Title: Re: Baptism Look-up Needed
Post by: Anita Grant Steele on Sunday 15 September 19 02:34 BST (UK)

Hi, Daisy,

I just couldn't make out the word, "scandal" in the original text. Between having read many "straight forward" OPRs and my own R.C. upbringing, I don't think it would be a difficult task to come up with qualifying circumstances for a "scandal" list.   :o

Thanks very much for the reference link. It looks very helpful, and I'm sure I will be using it!   :)
Anita