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Title: lee/williams birmingham
Post by: TWINKLEMEG5 on Saturday 31 August 19 13:30 BST (UK)
 april 17th 1848 francis lee married sarah Williams at st phillips Birmingham ,fathers john lee and Thomas Williams , one of the witnesses  was phoebe lee. at time of  marriage francis was living at bridge street  Birmingham but I cannot find   the family on the 1841 census or the 1851. any help please.
Title: Re: lee/williams birmingham
Post by: rosie99 on Saturday 31 August 19 13:42 BST (UK)
Quote from: TWINKLEMEG5 on Saturday 31 August 19 13:30 BST (UK)
april 17th 1848 francis lee married sarah Williams at st phillips Birmingham ,fathers john lee and Thomas Williams , one of the witnesses  was phoebe lee. at time of  marriage francis was living at bridge street  Birmingham but I cannot find   the family on the 1841 census or the 1851. any help please.

The groom was Thomas Lee according to the GRO index
Title: Re: lee/williams birmingham
Post by: CaroleW on Saturday 31 August 19 13:43 BST (UK)
If you are descended from one of their children - please give full details of that child as it can help to trace on later censuses.

Have you looked for them in 1861? 

Edit

Just seen Rosie's reply - perhaps that’s why you can’t find them
Title: Re: lee/williams birmingham
Post by: rosie99 on Saturday 31 August 19 13:46 BST (UK)
Was Thomas LEES a Clockmaker

1851
HO107/2058 f429 p3

1861
RG9/2164 f80 p6
Title: Re: lee/williams birmingham
Post by: CaroleW on Saturday 31 August 19 13:46 BST (UK)
The marriage entry on Ancestry does show him as Francis but has been mistranscibed as marriage cert shows Thomas and yes - he was a clockmaker
Title: Re: lee/williams birmingham
Post by: bevj on Saturday 31 August 19 21:40 BST (UK)
I have been interested in Phoebe Lee for a long time and have suspected that she might have been living as man and wife with my 4 x great grandfather William Gilbert (a clockmaker).  In 1851 William (widower) is the head of the household and Phoebe is a servant.  In 1861 she is his housekeeper.
I can't find them in 1841 either, but William's two children William junior and Martha (I have only found two) were born in Handsworth, so they may have been in Staffordshire.
Bev
Title: Re: lee/williams birmingham
Post by: TWINKLEMEG5 on Sunday 01 September 19 07:53 BST (UK)
thank you all. it looks as if he is going to remain a mystery.
Title: Re: lee/williams birmingham
Post by: trish1120 on Sunday 01 September 19 14:19 BST (UK)
1851 we have;
Thomas Lees 28
John Lees   45 Unm Button Maker Lodger born Sutton, Warwickshire
Sarah Lees 23
William Lees 2

Next door;
Living with William Gilbert a Clockmaker
John Lees age 71 (1780) Widower Machine Fitter born Birmm, Warwickshire*****
Phoe Lees  age 38 (1813) Unm born Birmm, Warwickshire

Trish :)
Title: Re: lee/williams birmingham
Post by: trish1120 on Sunday 01 September 19 14:27 BST (UK)
PHEBE Lees christened 07 Apr 1811 St Marys, Handsworth, Staffs to JOHN/ELIZABETH

JOHN Lees christened 26 DEC 1805 Sutton Coldfield, Warwick to JOHN/ELIZABETH


1861 she is PHOEBE Lees c 1811 Handsworth, Housekeeper as Bev said
Title: Re: lee/williams birmingham
Post by: TWINKLEMEG5 on Sunday 01 September 19 16:28 BST (UK)
thank you once again.