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Research in Other Countries => Europe => Topic started by: irene. seabrook on Tuesday 03 August 04 23:26 BST (UK)
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I was wondering if there was a place that Germans that married in England had to inform someone. I am thinking about my ancestors marraige around 1891 that I cannot find and looking for somewhere where I could find details of their marriage.
My gt. gdf was German and his wife English. Any ideas?
Regards Irene
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Nothing in particular that I can help you with, but have you tried The Anglo German Family History Society. They may have more direction for you.
http://www.art-science.com/agfhs/
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Thanks Jen I have looked on this board but do not know enough yet about my ancestor to check things out. Regards Irene
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Hi Irene have you looked at the registration records index, known as the GRO or St Cath's Index. They would have had to register the marriage onto this central register. If you like to give me the details I'll have a look for you at my next visit to the FH library.
Regards
Shirley
Perth WA
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Thanks Shirley - I have been looking for a longtime and cannot find them.
Charles Hermann/Alice Stroud. I think perhaps Charles had changed his name but may have married in his German name which I do not know.
I think they may have married around 1891 at Hoxton Old Town Shoreditch or around that area because that is where their first child is born Feb 1892. On that birth certificate father is Otto Hermann, my grandfather who is born later father is Charles Hermann.
I have purchased 2 wedding certificates in desparation.
Alice Stroud to Benjamin Amsden Biner August 1890 but Biner was not German.
Alice Greaves to Otto Reinhold Haus Herrmann May 1890 think Alice may have been married before but no her father was named Greaves as well and not Stroud.
Perhaps Charles/Otto and Alice never married or married much later.
Alice is Herman on the death certificate.
Very frustrating because I cannot tie up the right Alice Stroud or find out Charles German name. Another pair of eyes looking at this would be great. They are together in the 1901 census. Charles states he is a british subject born in Germany. Any help would be much appreciated. Best wishes Irene
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Hi Irene I went to freebmd and Alice's marriage to Benjamin Amsden BINER is recorded in 1890, also a birth for B A BINER in London (same area) for 1865.
What is the name of their firstborn?
Regards
SS
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Thanks Shirley - Binner is the wrong line. I went there and bought the certificates thinking it was a connection because he married Alice Stroud.
My ancestor is Charles Hermann in the 1901 census at 6 Manilla Street. Poplar . On the first child born in 1892 it states father Otto Hermann and Alice Stroud as parents. My grandfather born 1899 the names of parents has changed to Charles Hermann and Alice Stroud.
What I am desparate for is the wedding certificate because I cannot tie up the family that Alice Stroud came from. I do not know Hermann's German name (that is why I cannot find the certificate)- why did he start off Otto and then become Charles. In the 1901 census he state he is a british subject. Was this from the marriage or did he get nationalized . Did they ever get married? I will keep plugging away. Thanks for your time. Regards Irene
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Hi Irene I will be going to the Mormon library on friday so will have a look at the official records. What was the name of the first child born, please? That will help. Have you looked on the 1891 census as well?
Regards
SS
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Hi Irene I looked on the GRO marriage index for 1891 and 1890. Couldn't match any brde called Alice Stroud with a groom called Hermann!
These are some of the names that were on those 2 years
Otto Reinhold HERMANN and another duplicate entry but spelt HERRMANN at Croydon
Charles HERMANN at Wantage
Alice STROUD at West Ham
Charles HERMANN at Whitechapel
Christopher Carl HERMANN "
Regards
Shirley
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Hi there Shriley - sorry I have not replied to you sooner. I have had a busy time of late and have not been online much. Thanks you so much for checking out my ancestors. I have not been able to find the marriage of Alice and Charles/Otto Hermann. Perhaps they never married. I am going to try to go to Bancroft Road and see if they have any more details on Charles. He had a hairdressers on the Isle of Dogs and paid rates ect so they may some information on him. I really appreciate you looking for me. Many thanks Irene
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Hi Irene my wifes GT Grandparents were from Germany and settled in whitechapel london I found out that this area had quite a lot of Ger' immigrants, and there are German churchs both Lutheran and Catholic which hold records there was also a German hospital in the east end, the anglo german f.h.s has details I think. My research is for the name Schilp I found they were at 35 Grove st Whitechapel on the 1881 census and he was a cabinet maker, they then somehow ended up in Greenock Scotland
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Hi Avro,
Any idea from where in Germany ?
On my "travels" I found a family of Schilps from Germete, Nordrhein-Westphalia. Possibles ?
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Hi Bob in Berlin thanks for your reply, as yet we have no idea which area they came from or why, someone in my wifes family said they were told that our Schilp was dutch origionaly, others say German, maybe you could confirm for me that Schilp is actually a dutch or German name, I am hopefull that when I can obtain their Whitechapel born daughters marriage cert (she was married in Greenock Scotland) that it may state where her parents were born, other than just Germany, as you probably know Scottish marr' cert's state where the parents are born. I will check out your info above cheers :)
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Hi Avro,
here's where I found the Info.: http://gedbas.genealogy.net/suchen.jsp;jsessionid=D659EC6B96F8451682E51E779F85D6AA
This is a german database
I can't confirm your german/dutch question but both are likely, in fact, another database: http://www.geneanet.org/ ( more international one) gives 60 Schilps, most of them dutch !
http://search4.geneanet.org/result.php3?source=&name=schilp&place=&recherche.x=6&recherche.y=5
Good luck, keep us posted !
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I am interested in your message mentioning Benjamin Amsden Biner. I believe he may be in my (husband's) family tree.
I have Benjamin Biner b.circa 1866 Rotherhithe, s/o William George Biner and Hephzibar Amsden.
I've no further information on Benjamin, but William George was a linen draper and married Hephzibar in 1859 in Stepney.
Heph was sister to my husband's g.g.grandfather John Amsden.
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I have discovered that the Schilp family I am researching came to Britain to work in the sugar refining industry which was almost exclusivley using imported German workers in the whitechapel area of London. they were in the 1881 census as living in St georges in the east Whitechapel, they then appeared in the 1891 census in Greenock Scotland, I later discovered that Greenock was a major town for sugar refining and sure enough the males in the family were recorded as glucose labourers or sugar house labourers. At about this time the sugar factories in London were in decline but Greenock was still going strong, this must have been why they made the trek all the way to the west of Scotland (with nine children in tow) what a journey that must have been. Are we nearly there yet?
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Did someone mention sugar workers ??
Then, this is one site you have to see:
www.mawer.clara.net/history.html :
A site about the german sugar workers, who came to Britain, from the 17th. century onwards. Includes a database with over 18,000 Names, !!
Even if you don't find your ancestors here, there is such a wealth of information about sugar workers' and their lives here
Bob
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Hi there Avro,
I have a fair amount of information on your (and other) Schilps to whom you are related. Including your Johann's birth in Borgentreich, Westfalen, Prussia, his parents, Franz Schilpp and Carlina Hartmann's marriage and their children.
I have John's wife Christian/Christina HIBBELER's birth, parents and siblings too, this family were also from Westfalen, Prussia.
I'm trying to work out a positive link to Frederick Schilp (Westfalen) who turns up in Greenock (from West Ham) at exactly the same time as John. They are not brothers but are perhaps cousins.
Frederick's parents were Joseph Schilp and Sophia Eikermann.
I'm not related I was just doing a wee favour for the wife of one of John's descendants.
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The London Metropolitan Archives have produced an interesting leaflet called "The German Community in London"
go to Google and search for:
"London metropolitan archives german immigrants"
Should be at top of list.
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Thank's Bearcat and Berlin Bob for your input.
and big thank's to Andy Keogh, what can I say Andy this is great news for my Wife's family thank's for responding to my post I will P.M. you about exchanging info on the schilp's just off to brush up on my German looks like our next holiday is going to be in Westfalen!! ;D
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Hi Avro
My husband is also a descendant of Johann Schilp. I'm the one Andy helped out. ;D
Have some more info. which may be of use to you.
PM me to exchange.
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Hi "Jeelyjar" thanks for the response, my wife is from Greenock but now lives in England I have p. m, ed you, look forward to exchanging info, her late father knew very little about his German past, he was born in 1914 and experienced first hand the negative attitude to German nationals after WW1
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i dont suppose amongst all this anyone has come up with the linssner name have they? my grandfather came from germany we think in the 2nd world war and all i can find is his naturalization which was a ;ong time after he arrived here
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Hi Irene,
There's a spelling error in this name:
"Otto Reinhold Haus Hermann"
"Haus" should be "Klaus" which is the equivalent of 'Charles'.
The names "Otto and Reinhold" are the names 'donated' by the godparents (who may have been grandparents or other family) - the man's name was actually 'Charles Hermann'.
I don't know if you've looked in the nationalarchive catalogue for naturalisation papers but Charles may not have applied for naturalisation because he was automatically a British Subject as soon as he married an UK bride.
Good luck,
Rena in Lancashire
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Hello all hopefully someone will read this.
i just came across this site on a google search for my distant relatives "schilps in greenock" and couldn't believe there are relatives of johann and christina schilp on the site and people who have some research information on them as well - unbelievable! I am related through their daughter Anna Schilp.
I dont have much information on the family apart from the census detail. So any contact or anything that can help me trace them further would be a great help.
Verdi
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Hi Verdi glad you came across this site we obviously have something in common ;D check out the P.M. It will be interesting to share info :)
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Hello,
I'm from Borgentreich in Germany and my grandmother (1897-1986) was born as Schilp. I'm interesting in family research and I please you to contact me via mail at (*)
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Please use the PM system to exchange personal data.
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Wilkommen Uho
Wie gehts? :)
As said above, my husband's great grandmother was also a Schilp. Her father Johann Schilp was born in 1837 Borgentreich. He emigrated to London, then Scotland.
I have sent a private message for further contact.
Jeelyjar