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hello all
Could someone assist me in understanding references written in.
John Sullivan born 8 Jan 1908 living Surrey Sutton and Cheam MB page 3
Eughit Sullivan born 4 July 1911 same address, have found as Eugene 1938
Thank you Maxine57 :)
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You need to post a snippet of the bit you want explaining as we are not allowed to give information from the 1939 register
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hello all
Could someone assist me in understanding references written in.
John Sullivan born 8 Jan 1908 living Surrey Sutton and Cheam MB page 3
Eughit Sullivan born 4 July 1911 same address, have found as Eugene 1938
Thank you Maxine57 :)
The page is a transcribed page from the 1939 National Register (It has been transcribed due to a problem with the original page (possibly torn, smudging, indistinct, etc.)).
We can tell it is one of the transcribed pages as it is in black & white.
The two men are staying at a boarding house when the Registration was taken.
I assume the references you want explaining are the entries on the right hand page, it is doubtful that anyone could give you an accurate explanation of them as no lists of such references have been made public. Occasionally some may be guessed at.
On seems to be an identity card number but I am not certain of the alignment of the left and right pages as there is a redacted entry further up the page which makes being certain of the alignment difficult.
Hope this helps.
Cheers
Guy
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Thank you Guy and Rosie
Maxine
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Pages in black and white are photocopies of the original transcription books. This was usually done when a book was becoming worn, and you can see the annotations (rather faintly) that would have been in red or green in the original.
While there is no available list of all the abbreviations and annotations that were used in the five decades that the register was in use, the meanings of some of them are known. In this case, the note against John Sullivan's entry reads 'Re-reg YKIA 671813' with what appears to be a date '9-10-41', a little hard to read because it is crossed out and marked 'Cancelled'. Four-letter codes beginning with Y were used when an identity card was lost or stolen, the old number was cancelled and a new one issued. The remaining three letters were the area code for the place where the new number was issued (KIA was the code for Sheffield). No idea why the replacement number would have cancelled, though...(More research needed!)
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Pages in black and white are photocopies of the original transcription books. This was usually done when a book was becoming worn, and you can see the annotations (rather faintly) that would have been in red or green in the original.
While there is no available list of all the abbreviations and annotations that were used in the five decades that the register was in use, the meanings of some of them are known. In this case, the note against John Sullivan's entry reads 'Re-reg YKIA 671813' with what appears to be a date '9-10-41', a little hard to read because it is crossed out and marked 'Cancelled'. Four-letter codes beginning with Y were used when an identity card was lost or stolen, the old number was cancelled and a new one issued. The remaining three letters were the area code for the place where the new number was issued (KIA was the code for Sheffield). No idea why the replacement number would have cancelled, though...(More research needed!)
Yes, I am afraid my memory is going now.
Cheers
Guy
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Eughit must be a very rare name. Found none on Free BMD (England/Wales) May be in Ireland or Scotland?
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Thank you everyone
I tried to the best of ability to try and find John and eughit/Eugene Sullivan in UK and Ireland but unable to confirm anything. other than residence 1938 and 1939 in Surrey
Family story is my grandfather was the Irish Lodger, my DNA shows this is highly likely.
John & Eughit were lodgers at correct time and the correct address.
The 1939 reg giving births and the addition of the ID card numbers (thanks for that help)I hoped might help me along.
honestly I am not sure where to go from here?
Any advise would be greatly appreciated.
Maxine
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Post now completely removed, and it was only up for less than a minute!
Good luck
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Irish versions of Eugene:
Éogan or Eógan is an early Irish male name, which also has the hypocoristic and diminutive forms Eoganán, Eóghainin, Eóghain and Eóghainn. In more modern forms of Irish it is written as Eóghan or Eoghan (/'oːəun/).
Above from wikipedia.
Perhaps Eughit is what the compiler of the register thought they heard.
Tony