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Title: Florenda Lee Merrigan
Post by: Tara-Leigh on Sunday 11 August 19 02:11 BST (UK)
Hello Again ~ I can't Thank everyone enough over the years for the help "above and beyond" that I always get when I hit a brick wall.  That is why I'm returning once again with a mystery / brickwall. Recently one of my cousins dropped a bombshell on us stating he was in possession of a birth certificate for a baby born to a 14 year old school girl and that the father listed on certificate was our great grandfather. Oh the stories and our imaginations all ran wild.  After the initial shock wore off I stated researching looking at dates and this certificate.  No one in the family knows who this 14 year old girl is and why our great grandfather would be involved with her while married and them expecting a baby of their own. Knowing our family the stories as well as the skeletons in the closet we've come to the conclusion that this young lady was in trouble either raped or got pregnant some other way and our great grandfather knew her family and offered to put his name on the certificate as a means of assisting the young lady and/or her family...back then we know families were shamed by unwed mothers and also fathers names on certificate were changed to help with the adoption process.  So not having any details of the truth this was the trail we are trying to follow in order to see if we can locate where the baby ended up or to find out if the baby died shortly after birth.  She may have even been sent to live with relatives as their own child and lived a long and happy life and had a family of her own.  Right now other than the birth certificate that's where the story ends. Here's what we do know: My great grandfather is :  Thomas Joseph Merrigan Jr. b. Dec 13 1890 in Butte MT lived in AZ til his death in 1944 married to Ruby McMillen Sept 16 1921 (Just realized it was after the birth of mystery child) they had 3 children  Robert, Alice and Donald. Thomas Merrigan Jr. was married previously to Anna Harrington and they had one child James Ellsworth Merrigan. The birth certificate we are now in possession of for this mystery child states the following: Mother is:  Myrtle Ethel Sanders age 14 (b. Mar 18 1907 Douglas AZ) residence Miami AZ Child is :  Florinda Lee (Merrigan) b. Aug 7 1921 Miami, AZ Father is: Thomas Merrigan - Here's the interesting part of document on this section - someone hand wrote a note that reads (claims to be the father). It also states that his occupation was a crane operator for the copper mines. We'd like to be able to find out who Myrtle Ethel Sanders was. How she knew our great grandfather and why was his name on her baby's birth certificate?  Did they have an affair? Did he just put his name on the certificate to help her out? Was the baby sent to live with relatives? or was the baby adopted out through catholic charities...what happened to her? The birth certificate does not provide what hospital was she born in or if she was even born in a hospital. Maybe she was born at home with midwives...maybe not???? If she was adopted out how do we go looking for her to see if she had a family and we can locate more cousins? Florenda Lee (Merrigan) - spelling variations could be Florenda or Florinda. At first I thought Lee was a middle name but it could also be a last name for the true biological father or her mothers maiden. Seeing as my great grandfathers name is in parenthesis as well as the note claiming he's the father Lee could very well be the last name. There's so many variations of who what where and why.... While trying to do the research on my own I did come across a Myrtle Sanders who's mother and father along with a boyfriend and a deputy were all murdered.  This tragedy happened in Minnesota.  I don't believe they are the same 14 year old girl...but you never know.  I think the names of the parents are what had me decide they weren't the same person. Any help with this mystery is so greatly appreciated even just pointing me in the right direction is always helpful. Many thanks again the continued help over the years as well. Sincerely Tara (Merrigan) Doyle PS...I tried to attach a copy of the birth certificate but unable to figure it out...sorry
Title: Re: FLORENDA LEE MERRIGAN
Post by: amondg on Sunday 11 August 19 10:05 BST (UK)
You have the date of birth for Myrtle Ethel Sanders, so who are her parents?

ADDED the 14 year old in  Minnesota was a foster child not a natural child.
Title: Re: FLORENDA LEE MERRIGAN
Post by: avm228 on Sunday 11 August 19 10:10 BST (UK)
The trouble with tracing the child is that she may still be living.

Myrtle may be the Myrtle Ethel Sanders who married Louis Mortimer Mounce in Gila County, AZ in 1926 (license date 9 November 1926).  Both were resident at Copper Hill.  They went on to have children together. In the 1930 census they have two sons of the marriage with them but not a girl born before the marriage.
Title: Re: FLORENDA LEE MERRIGAN
Post by: Tara-Leigh on Monday 12 August 19 16:35 BST (UK)
amondg
Thank you for your reply. How do you know the young lady in Minnesota was a foster child? I read all the articles and nothing I saw said that. That would be and intersting way of connecting things. Can you send me the link to your info?

avm228
Thank you for your reply. Everything you posted is info we already have. The fact that the girl marries and has children roughly 6-10 after having Florinda leads me to think Florinda died following the birth or she was adopted right after birth. We just dont know......

If Florinda is alive shes like 98....so I dont think she is. However if she did have a family we'd love to find them and discover new cousins and to hear about Florinda and Myrtle.

Thanks again for your assistance...look forward to any other finds you may dig up.

Tara
Title: Re: FLORENDA LEE MERRIGAN
Post by: MaureeninNY on Monday 12 August 19 21:49 BST (UK)
I'd be a little curious about the Flora Lee DEANE on the 1930 Ancestry in St Petersburg, Pinellas, Florida.
She is with Bridge (Elbridge) and Camille DEANE. They don't seem to know how to give the relationship-she's down as a lodger.

When she dies in 1995 as Flora Lee KING:
Birth Date:
7 Aug 1921
Miami, Arizona

Death Place:
Hillsborough, Florida, United States

Maureen

 


Title: Re: FLORENDA LEE MERRIGAN
Post by: chempat on Monday 12 August 19 22:03 BST (UK)
To add to Maureen's comments:
On 1935 census she (Flora Lee Deane) is still with Elbridge and Camille, but described as having no relationship to head of family, just the same surname.
Title: Re: FLORENDA LEE MERRIGAN
Post by: chempat on Monday 12 August 19 22:19 BST (UK)
?
Flora Lee Deane
Age:17  Birth Date: about 1922
Marriage Date:14th June 1939
Marriage Place: Pinellas, Florida, USA
Father: E G Deane   Mother:Deane
Spouse: Richard Charles LaPlant
Film Number:  002115490

Flora Lee LaPlant
Marriage Date: 10th April 1945
Marriage Place: Pinellas, Florida, USA
Spouse: Fred W Winters
Film Number: 002115420

Flora-Lee Winters
Marriage Date: 26th December 1950
Marriage Place: Florida, USA
Spouse: Harry Leonard King
Film Number: 002115826

Title: Re: FLORENDA LEE MERRIGAN
Post by: Jool on Monday 12 August 19 22:55 BST (UK)
Miami Daily Silver Belt 20 December 1921

SEEKS GUARDIANSHIP
Myrtle Sanders, complaining witness in a recent criminal case against Thos. J. Merrigan, came before Judge Shute this morning for consideration as to the guardianship of her infant child. No disposition of the matter was made.

I tried to upload the image but it wouldn't work, maybe this board doesn't allow it.

Still looking for more in newspapers
Title: Re: FLORENDA LEE MERRIGAN
Post by: MaureeninNY on Monday 12 August 19 23:04 BST (UK)
Go Jool! Well done!

And chempat ;) ;) ;) been a while,my friend.

Maureen
Title: Re: FLORENDA LEE MERRIGAN
Post by: Jool on Monday 12 August 19 23:29 BST (UK)
Miami Daily Arizona Silver Belt 13 September 1921

The jury was drawn for the first criminal case, that of T. J. Merrigan, charged with a statutory offence against a young girl.  The state will present it's evidence this afternoon.  The defense will try to establish a case of mistaken identity.  Merrigan is represented by Attorney Norman Johnson.
Title: Re: FLORENDA LEE MERRIGAN
Post by: chempat on Monday 12 August 19 23:31 BST (UK)

Myrtle may be the Myrtle Ethel Sanders who married Louis Mortimer Mounce in Gila County, AZ in 1926 (license date 9 November 1926).

The witnesses at the marriage were the Deans!
Title: Re: FLORENDA LEE MERRIGAN
Post by: MaureeninNY on Tuesday 13 August 19 00:00 BST (UK)


Myrtle may be the Myrtle Ethel Sanders who married Louis Mortimer Mounce in Gila County, AZ in 1926 (license date 9 November 1926).

The witnesses at the marriage were the Deans!

That seems to clinch it.

Seems like a very sad story- and whom to believe?

Maureen
Title: Re: FLORENDA LEE MERRIGAN
Post by: Jool on Tuesday 13 August 19 00:02 BST (UK)
T.J Merrigan may yet be innocent....

Miami Daily Arizona Silver Belt 14 September 1921

DEFENSE IN THE CASE OF T.J MERRIGAN
The state, in the case of T.J. Merrigan, charged with a statutory crime against a young girl, rested at noon today after having presented all of it's witnesses.  The defense will present its witnesses this afternoon, and the case will probably be argued before the jury by the respective attorneys tomorrow morning.  Attorney Johnson in the cross examination of the state's witness this morning, attempted to prove that the man arrested does not fit the description of the man who committed the crime, as testified to by the young girl's brother and sister.  The man was described as having gold teeth in his upper jaw, and a scar running from the lip in a diagonal direction across the chin.  The defendant, Merrigan, has neither gold teeth nor a diagonal scar on the chin.
Title: Re: FLORENDA LEE MERRIGAN
Post by: Jool on Tuesday 13 August 19 00:42 BST (UK)
Miami Daily Arizona Silver Belt 16 September 1921

MERRIGAN ACQUITTED IN 15 MINUTES ON FIRST BALLOT
A verdict of not guilty was returned by the jury in the case of the State vs T. J. Merrigan on the first ballot and in less than 15 minutes.  Norman Johnson in arguing before the jury established the fact that this was a case of mistaken identity.  The case has been before the court for three days.
Title: Re: FLORENDA LEE MERRIGAN
Post by: Jool on Tuesday 13 August 19 00:44 BST (UK)

Myrtle may be the Myrtle Ethel Sanders who married Louis Mortimer Mounce in Gila County, AZ in 1926 (license date 9 November 1926).

The witnesses at the marriage were the Deans!

Great find Chempat!
Title: Re: FLORENDA LEE MERRIGAN
Post by: Tara-Leigh on Tuesday 13 August 19 02:34 BST (UK)
Blimey You all are fantastic! So much to absorb and read. Now I'm going to try to find these articles and the Dean's and Florida census!

Once again you all hit the ball out of the park and I can't thank you enough!!!

I will post a follow up to all your hard work and fabulous finds ~

I can't thank you enough...

Love this forum....
Thanks to all
Tara
Title: Re: FLORENDA LEE MERRIGAN
Post by: chempat on Tuesday 13 August 19 06:51 BST (UK)
Interesting that it could be alleged who the father was on the birth information, presumably without his permission?

Belated Hello to Maureen. :)
Title: Re: Florenda Lee Merrigan
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 13 August 19 10:50 BST (UK)

Flora Lee Dean (photograph)

Tampa Bay Times  St. Petersburg, Florida 4 Jun 1939, Sun  -   Page 12

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/34848735/flora_lee_dean/

Sandra
Title: Re: Florenda Lee Merrigan
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 13 August 19 10:51 BST (UK)


Tampa Bay Times  St. Petersburg, Florida 16 Jun 1939, Fri  -   Page 11

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/34848767/flora_lee_deane/

Sandra
Title: Re: Florenda Lee Merrigan
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 13 August 19 10:54 BST (UK)
Tampa Bay Times  St. Petersburg, Florida 26 Apr 1941, Sat  -   Page 23

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/34848859/divorce_case_richard_charles_laplant/

Tampa Bay Times  St. Petersburg, Florida 24 Jul 1941, Thu  -   Page 15

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/34848874/orders_and_decree/

Sandra
Title: Re: Florenda Lee Merrigan
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 13 August 19 10:56 BST (UK)


Tampa Bay Times  St. Petersburg, Florida 8 Dec 1941, Mon  -   Page 12

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/34848868/photo_flora_lee_laplant/

Sandra
Title: Re: FLORENDA LEE MERRIGAN
Post by: oldohiohome on Tuesday 13 August 19 11:04 BST (UK)
Interesting that it could be alleged who the father was on the birth information, presumably without his permission?


My thoughts exactly. It didn't say who claimed T J Merrigan was the father.
Title: Re: Florenda Lee Merrigan
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 13 August 19 11:08 BST (UK)

Death of Elbridge G Deane - had two foster daughters - Mrs Tom Sanson (Globe Arizona) and Mrs Harold L King (orlando Florida)

Tampa Bay Times  St. Petersburg, Florida 17 Jan 1966, Mon  -   Page 19

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/34848932/elbridge_g_deane/

Sandra
Title: Re: FLORENDA LEE MERRIGAN
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 13 August 19 11:11 BST (UK)
The trouble with tracing the child is that she may still be living.

Myrtle may be the Myrtle Ethel Sanders who married Louis Mortimer Mounce in Gila County, AZ in 1926 (license date 9 November 1926).  Both were resident at Copper Hill.  They went on to have children together. In the 1930 census they have two sons of the marriage with them but not a girl born before the marriage.

Myrtle Mounce married Tom Sanson in Gila Arizona 7 June 1954 -

Sandra
Title: Re: Florenda Lee Merrigan
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 13 August 19 11:13 BST (UK)

Tom Sanson 27 June 1904 passed away October 1984 - Last Residence: 85501 Globe, Gila, Arizona.
SSN issued Ohio (Before 1951)

Sandra
Title: Re: Florenda Lee Merrigan
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 13 August 19 11:15 BST (UK)

Myrtle Sanson 1 November 1906 passed away March 1996 - Last Residence 85502 Globe, Gila, Arizona.  SSN issued Arizona (Before 1951)

Sandra
Title: Re: Florenda Lee Merrigan
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 13 August 19 11:29 BST (UK)
Arizona Silver Belt Newspaper Archives
Thursday 9  March 1967 - Page 1

Go down to OCR and scroll..........

Businesses seek transfers Hearings on the transfer of two Miami businesses are on the calendar for the Arizona Corporation Commission .Wednesday in Phoenix. Authority is sought by Winston G. Watts, doing busi- ness as Miami Taxi Co., for permission to transfer and assign rights to Tom or Myrtle Sanson.

https://newspaperarchive.com/arizona-silver-belt-mar-09-1967-p-1/

Sandra
Title: Re: Florenda Lee Merrigan
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 13 August 19 12:36 BST (UK)
scroll down to OCR text.............

Miami Arizona Silver Belt Newspaper Archives Thursday 10 May 10 1979 - Page 12

https://newspaperarchive.com/miami-arizona-silver-belt-may-10-1979-p-12/

Vernon (Louis) Mounce -

 Vernon Mounce, 52. a cowboy, died May 4 at his home in Tucson. He was horn in Copper Hills. Graveside services for Mr. Mounce were Sunday in Globe Cemetery with the Rev. Jimmie Woods officiating -  his father, Buster Mounce -  his mother. Mrs. Myrtle Sanson - plus details of other siblings.

https://newspaperarchive.com/miami-arizona-silver-belt-may-10-1979-p-12/

Sandra

Title: Re: Florenda Lee Merrigan
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 13 August 19 12:48 BST (UK)
The sister mentioned Mrs Beverley Edith Marlow born 1933 Copper Hills passed away 6 August 2004

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:7BP4-9L2M

FIND A GRAVE

Globe Cemetery Globe, Gila County, Arizona.

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/37148849

Obit - https://www.legacy.com/obituaries/azcentral/obituary.aspx?n=beverly-edith-marlow&pid=2482013

HUSBAND - Charles LaVerne Marlow - 1934 - 2008

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/112960017/charles-laverne-marlow

obit with photograph -

https://www.legacy.com/obituaries/azcentral/obituary.aspx?n=charles-laverne-marlow&pid=108586522

Sandra
Title: Re: Florenda Lee Merrigan
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 13 August 19 13:02 BST (UK)

Robert Elliott Mounce 1 May 1929 Gila, Arizona
Father Louis Mortimer Mounce - Mother Myrtle Ethel Sanders.

FIND A GRAVE

Born to Louis Mortimer and Myrtle Ethel Sanders Mounce of Copper Hill, Arizona.

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/97810403

Obit - Robert E Mounce - aged 73 years - AZ -  AZ Republic -  2002-5-21 -  dback

Sandra
Title: Re: Florenda Lee Merrigan
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 13 August 19 13:07 BST (UK)

The obit for Thomas Joseph Merrigan in case you haven't already got it

Arizona Daily Star  Tucson, Arizona 22 Jan 1944, Sat  -   Page 5

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/34849994/thomas_joseph_merrigan/


Sandra
Title: Re: Florenda Lee Merrigan
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 13 August 19 14:33 BST (UK)
Elbridge G Deane (with photograph) - Tampa Bay Times  St. Petersburg, Florida 11 Aug 1958, Mon  -   Page 32
City Engineer in Minnesota - had been mayor of Miami Arizona - arrived in St Petersburg 1928



part 1 - https://www.newspapers.com/clip/34851178/elbridge_g_deane_part_1/

part 2 - https://www.newspapers.com/clip/34851197/elbridge_g_deane_part_2/

Both Elbridge and Camilla were listed St Petersburg, Florida, City Directory, 1955

Sandra
Title: Re: Florenda Lee Merrigan
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 13 August 19 14:37 BST (UK)
50 th wedding anniversary of Mr and Mrs Deane - married 11 June 1907 Minnesota. (with photograph of the couple)

Tampa Bay Times  St. Petersburg, Florida 11 Jun 1957, Tue  -   Page 27

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/34851324/mr_and_mrs_deane_50_th_wedding/

Sandra
Title: Re: Florenda Lee Merrigan
Post by: Tara-Leigh on Wednesday 14 August 19 00:18 BST (UK)

Death of Elbridge G Deane - had two foster daughters - Mrs Tom Sanson (Globe Arizona) and Mrs Harold L King (orlando Florida)

Tampa Bay Times  St. Petersburg, Florida 17 Jan 1966, Mon  -   Page 19

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/34848932/elbridge_g_deane/

Sandra

We discovered last night that the foster daughter "Mrs Tom Sanson" was actually Florendas mother Myrtle...
Title: Re: Florenda Lee Merrigan
Post by: Tara-Leigh on Wednesday 14 August 19 00:28 BST (UK)
50 th wedding anniversary of Mr and Mrs Deane - married 11 June 1907 Minnesota. (with photograph of the couple)

So the Deanes were in Minnesota...the Myrtle Sanders in Minnesota could very well be one in the same and witnessed that brutal murder....anyway to verify or clarify?

Tampa Bay Times  St. Petersburg, Florida 11 Jun 1957, Tue  -   Page 27

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/34851324/mr_and_mrs_deane_50_th_wedding/

Sandra
Title: Re: Florenda Lee Merrigan
Post by: Tara-Leigh on Wednesday 14 August 19 17:33 BST (UK)
Update:
So I have been able to confirm the Myrtle Sanders involved in love triangle murder in 1923 is not my Myrtle.

However we did find another Myrtle that was on the 1920 census listed as a foster daughter...this could actually be my minnesota connection.

It was also made clear that her mothers maiden name is McClure from CA.

I think Myrtle was a bit of a trouble maker and was sent to foster families.

It also appears the Deane's raised Flora saying her mother was her sister....

Thats what I currently have
Thanks everyone...

PS anyone been able to find or figure out if Flora ever had children? So far I cant find anyone.

Thanks again
Title: Re: Florenda Lee Merrigan
Post by: Jool on Wednesday 14 August 19 18:25 BST (UK)
Miami Daily Arizona Silver Belt 08 June 1915

There are 2 articles on the same page referring to Myrtle Sanders stating that she was born Myrtle ADAMS and adopted by Albert Sanders.

SANDERS TO CARE FOR STEP CHILD.
Albert Sanders was granted the care, through adoption, of his eight year old stepdaughter, Myrtle Adams by Judge G.W. Shute of the superior court yesterday.  Mrs. Sanders, the child's mother, died about a year ago, three months after becoming the wife of Mr. Sanders.  Since then the father of the child, who had separated from the mother before the child was born, claimed the little girl.  Mr. Sanders refused to part with her and petitioned the court for permission to adopt her, which was granted.  A number of Mr. Sander's neighbors appeared as witnesses and testified to his affection for the little girl and to the good care he has given her.  Myrtle will leave soon for Silverton, Colo., where she will spend the summer with Mrs. Mattie Ritter, another stepdaughter of Mr. Sanders.

"DAD" DUNN RETURNS
J.N. Dunn, familiarly known as "Dad" has returned to Miami after an absence of several months, spent with relatives at San Antonio and other Texas towns.  Mr. Dunn is the grandfather of little Myrtle Adams, now Myrtle Sanders, the eight year old stepdaughter of Albert Sanders, who legally adopted the child in court yesterday.
Title: Re: Florenda Lee Merrigan
Post by: Jool on Wednesday 14 August 19 18:33 BST (UK)
Marriage Gila, Arizona, USA
Albert Sanders age 57
Mrs. Mattie Adams age 38
22 Feb 1914

Witnesses:
George Prym ? Jr.
Harry Shepherd
Mrs Mae ? Shepherd

Original image is on Ancestry
Title: Re: Florenda Lee Merrigan
Post by: Jool on Wednesday 14 August 19 18:47 BST (UK)
Standard certificate of Birth - certificate amended see notation.
Myrtle Ethel Adams.  Name originally typed as just ADAMS, Myrtle Ethel added later in the same handwriting as the note at the bottom.
Birth 1 Nov 1906
Douglas, Cochise, Arizona, USA
Father: J O Adams, birthplace ?
Mother: Mattie DUNN, birthplace Texas
Filed 6-14-35

A note on the bottom of the cert:
Abstract of old county records
Item 2# name entered by affidavit of registrant
High school records and petition for adoption (9-4-10) I think it's 10 but not sure  ???

Original image on Ancestry
Title: Re: Florenda Lee Merrigan
Post by: Jool on Wednesday 14 August 19 19:22 BST (UK)
Findagrave memorial for Mattie (Dunn) Sanders
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/35622859

And Albert Sanders
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/35622497/albert-sanders
Title: Re: Florenda Lee Merrigan
Post by: Jool on Wednesday 14 August 19 20:00 BST (UK)
Mattie Dunn can be found in the 1880 census, b. 1875 Texas, living Bexar, Texas with her father Jasper and her mother CAMILA (coincidence or not?), and siblings.  Cannot see a sister Camila/Camile, maybe that was her middle name  ???
Title: Re: Florenda Lee Merrigan
Post by: Tara-Leigh on Thursday 15 August 19 03:56 BST (UK)
My Myrtle's mother is Ethel McClure and father is Wm. Andrew Sanders their both from CA.
I show documents with these names on them and cross referenced back to Myrtle Sanders.

So far the names connected are the McClure's, Merrigan's, Sanders and Deane's - just don't know why there's a connection to Minnesota or Arizona other than the Deane's came from Minnesota and supposed father of her child is Merrigan and that's where he and his family all came from.

I'm getting dizzy with the Myrtle Sanders from Minnesota...

Thanks for all the hard work but I need sleep now... :)

My cousin (Michelle) whose been helping and mostly leading this search has reached out to some of the Mounce children and their grandfather...hopefully we'll be able to gain some insight soon.
Title: Re: Florenda Lee Merrigan
Post by: Michelle Denise on Thursday 15 August 19 22:21 BST (UK)
Thank you everyone.  I am searching high and low for any children Florenda may have had.  I am hoping to hear from Myrtles exhusbands family today.  Hopefully they can fill in some gaps.  ps..love you cousin Tara
Title: Re: Florenda Lee Merrigan
Post by: chempat on Thursday 15 August 19 22:27 BST (UK)
As Thomas was found not guilty of being the Father, then what connection is Florenda to you?  (I must have missed something).
Title: Re: Florenda Lee Merrigan
Post by: Michelle Denise on Thursday 15 August 19 22:35 BST (UK)
The jury came back in 15 minutes with a non guilty verdict.  That was based on the testimony of little children.  In 1921 who knows what tomfoolery took place in the court system.  Thomas is still listed as Florenda's father on her birth certificate.  With all that being said, the only real way to know if Florenda is our great grandfathers child is to hope she had children and someone on her line took a dna that would match up to our Merrigan line.  It is something I can't let go until we know 100% for sure.  Also, I just had an email from Myrtle's first husband's son (from a different mom) who met Florenda a few times.  Waiting on more info from him. 
Title: Re: Florenda Lee Merrigan
Post by: Jool on Thursday 15 August 19 23:04 BST (UK)
Hi Tara and Michelle (welcome Michelle)

I think things may be getting a little muddled with Myrtle Ethel Sanders and her parents - who you believe to be William Sanders and Ethel McClure of California.

In your first post you state

The birth certificate we are now in possession of for this mystery child states the following: Mother is:  Myrtle Ethel Sanders age 14 (b. Mar 18 1907 Douglas AZ) residence Miami AZ.

The birth certificate does not state a date of birth for Myrtle Ethel Sanders, just age 14, birth place Douglas Arizona, residence Miami Arizona.

The date of birth you state, Mar 18 1907 is the birth date for Myrtle EVA (not Ethel) Sanders, the daughter of William Sanders and Ethel McClure of California, who you believe is your Myrtle.

Myrtle ETHEL Sanders, the mother of Florenda Lee Merrigan, I believe is the one born Myrtle Ethel ADAMS on 1 Nov 1906 in Douglas Arizona, daughter of J O Adams and Mattie Dunn who was adopted in 1915 by Albert Sanders (see my posts 36, 37 & 38 yesterday). 

See also Sandra's post no. 25:
Myrtle Sanson 1 November 1906 passed away March 1996 - Last Residence 85502 Globe, Gila, Arizona.  SSN issued Arizona (Before 1951)

I am not trying to pick holes in your research, I just don't want you to go off on the wrong track.

Any thoughts welcome  :)

Jool
Title: Re: Florenda Lee Merrigan
Post by: Michelle Denise on Thursday 15 August 19 23:26 BST (UK)
Hi Jool.  Thanks for the welcome.  I am going to dig a little bit more into Myrtle's parents following your information. Thank you so much.  What I really have been working on, like I said before, is if Florenda ever had children.  She has been a bit harder to follow because of the name changes ie Florenda Lee Merrigan to Flora Lee Deane, LaPlant, Winters and King.   :)
Title: Re: Florenda Lee Merrigan
Post by: Jool on Thursday 15 August 19 23:44 BST (UK)
Hi Michelle, I understand what you say about Thomas being found not guilty based on the testimony of children, not entirely reliable.  I also appreciate that your focus is on Florenda and her potential children to try to establish the facts.

Regarding Myrtle, you may want to look at this record on Findmypast.

Myrtle Eva Sanders
Age 17
Birth year 1907
Father Wm Sanders
Mother Ethel Mcclure
Marriage 18 Aug 1924
San Benito, California, United States
Spouse Herbert A Erickson
Spouse age 21
Spouse birth year 1903

There is also a death of Myrtle Eva Cuthbert (Myrtle Eva Sanders) on Ancestry
Birth Date 18 Mar 1907
Birth Place California
Death Date 12 Nov 1995
Death Place Madera
Mother's Maiden Name McClure
Father's Surname Sanders

I haven't found what happened to husband Herbert Erickson or when she married Mr. Cuthbert

Good luck and let us know how you get on  :)
Title: Re: Florenda Lee Merrigan
Post by: Tara-Leigh on Friday 16 August 19 05:38 BST (UK)

Myrtle Sanson 1 November 1906 passed away March 1996 - Last Residence 85502 Globe, Gila, Arizona.  SSN issued Arizona (Before 1951)

Sandra

Sandra
Do you have a link to this information? I couldn't find it...
This is the link I have and as you can see the name was adjusted but it states Eva not Ethel as a middle name.
These two Myrtles are cross referencing everywhere and I'm having trouble confirming which one she actually is, as Jool pointed out, and is correct.

https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=5180&h=1653234&ssrc=pt&tid=40717990&pid=422000909475&usePUB=true

Thanks so much
Tara
Title: Re: Florenda Lee Merrigan
Post by: Tara-Leigh on Friday 16 August 19 05:53 BST (UK)
Hi Michelle, I understand what you say about Thomas being found not guilty based on the testimony of children, not entirely reliable.  I also appreciate that your focus is on Florenda and her potential children to try to establish the facts.

Regarding Myrtle, you may want to look at this record on Findmypast.

Myrtle Eva Sanders
Age 17
Birth year 1907
Father Wm Sanders
Mother Ethel Mcclure
Marriage 18 Aug 1924
San Benito, California, United States
Spouse Herbert A Erickson
Spouse age 21
Spouse birth year 1903

There is also a death of Myrtle Eva Cuthbert (Myrtle Eva Sanders) on Ancestry
Birth Date 18 Mar 1907
Birth Place California
Death Date 12 Nov 1995
Death Place Madera
Mother's Maiden Name McClure
Father's Surname Sanders

I haven't found what happened to husband Herbert Erickson or when she married Mr. Cuthbert

Good luck and let us know how you get on  :)

Jool
These were the two documents I had which because of the middle name said was not the Myrtle we were looking for. So I'm confused...I had Myrtle's mother as McClure and the only information I haven't been able to find was if the Myrtle I'm looking for ever married a Cuthbert...that was the only piece of this puzzle I didn't have yet.

I greatly appreciate the points you've made as I hate going in circles or as you put it going of track only to find out where I started out was the correct point.  Before computers I did a lot of that...lol!!!

Before I delete incorrect information or correct information can we clarify or help confirm for me the Dunn/Adams connection or should I keep the McClure/Cuthbert connection? I'm starting to get a bit confused...

Thanks for the clarification...
Tara
Title: Re: Florenda Lee Merrigan
Post by: Tara-Leigh on Friday 16 August 19 09:12 BST (UK)
Good Evening Jool ~
First I want to thank you for post #36!!! I followed those two articles to a "T"...and hit pay dirt :)

I have updated my tree and records regarding Myrtle Ethel Sanders b. Adams and now see how it all flows. There's still a gap of 4 years (1922 to 1926 ) most if not all her records show she never left the state of AZ.

Here's what we have now:

b. November 1 1906 Arizona
d. March 1996 Globe Arizona

Biological Parents were: J O Adams and Mary Jane Mattie Dunn

Mattie married Albert Sanders in 1914 and 3 months later died. In 1915 Sanders legally adopted Myrtle.
In 1921 Myrtle gives birth to Florenda. In 1922 Albert Sanders dies.

Between 1922 and 1926 I don't see where she lived.  However, the town where all these people lived was strictly a mining town and everyone worked for the mine in some fashion.  This is the same town where my great grandfather  Thomas Merrigan worked as a crane operator. It's pretty safe to say everyone probably knew everyone.  Now where Myrtle ended up living during those 4 years and with whom...well that I don't know...she was somewhere and with a young infant. I'm guessing that's where and when the Deane's come into the picture.

Thank you again Jool...very helpful information.

Now I know my cousin is still trying to find additional family to Florenda but it doesn't appear to be so....we'll see...you never know. :)

Many thanks
Tara
Title: Re: Florenda Lee Merrigan
Post by: Michelle Denise on Friday 16 August 19 22:42 BST (UK)
Hi everyone.  First I want to say thank you for your help and guidance.  I have just been in contact with Louise 'Buster' Mounce's great granddaughter (Beverly's daughter) in Arizona.  She confirmed that Florenda had a child of her own named Cheree.  Evidently Cheree researched and tracked Myrtle down in AZ and took Florenda to visit.  I am not sure of the year that that took place or Cheree's last name at that time.  I am still working diligently and will know more soon I hope.  I do know that Florenda and Cheree were of great surprise to all when they showed up in Globe AZ lol