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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Surrey => Topic started by: Tim Brayshaw on Friday 09 August 19 13:24 BST (UK)
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Hi there,
I am hoping you can help me with finding the death of a parent inbetween 2 census returns.
I have an Emily Everest, whom in the 1911 census is looking after her 7 siblings with no parents present. She is 21 on the census and born in Lingfield, Surrey. Her siblings are Leonard, Percy, Doris, Ernest, Sydney and May.
In 1901 I can see both of her parents; William Everest b1860 Lingfield, and Alice Grant b1867 in East Grinstead.
It seems William Everest passed away in 1907 - Godstone, Surrey. But i can not find a death record for his wife Alice between census.
Can anyone help me track her down?
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I haven't found Alice Everest in 1911
1 , but there are records for Alice Everest born 1865 , of the parish of Lingfield , in the Workhouse at Godstone in 1905. The records are transcripts and one states Alice Everest + 5 children. Searching under the childrens' names I found
Doris application 13 Dec 1904
Percy
Raymond " "
Leonard
Jessie " "
Edit : Alice's application is dated 31 Oct 1905 .
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Many thanks for your quick reply! The plot thickens.
If the children are back in a property in 1911, is there such a thing as a 'leaving record' from the workhouse? It's odd that without parents they were able to leave the workhouse are go back to living in a property.
Many Thanks
Tim.
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Is she the Alice Charlotte Grant baptized at East Grinstead, 25 April 1869?
Parents John and Matilda. Father a Labourer
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-6MZS-Y78?i=313
Was her birth registered as Charlotte?
March 1869 East Grinstead 2b 126
Grant, Charlotte
mother's maiden surname Davey
If so, a possibilty
Marriage
June 1924 East Grinstead 2b 340
Everest, Alice C.
Sales, Joseph
Death
June 1948 Uckfield 5h 384
Sales, Alice Charlotte
age 79
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A quick look at the free index to the 1939 Register
In Withyham, Uckfield R.D., Sussex
Alice Sales, born 1869
living with Joseph Sales, born 1867
and possibly also Emily M M Brooker, born 1889
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Maybe that should be Booker? :-\
Birth
Dec 1889 East Grinstead 2b 143
Everest, Mary Emily Matilda
mother's maiden surname Grant
Marriage at Lingfield St Peter and St Paul, 25 Dec 1912
George Henry Booker
+
Mary Emily Matilda Everest
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The plot thickens.
Let us know when you find out what happened to Alice.
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Alice's application is dated 31 Oct 1905 .
Also 10 October, 14 November and 5 December
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Thank you all so much for the information.
I have now confirmed with a certificate that she indeed married a Mr Sales, so thankyou for the heads up on that one.
It is still a mystery why she left her family of children and married another man a decade later. Would there be anywhere in the records I could follow up on this and get any more details?
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Don't forget that there was no Welfare State in those days.
Once her husband died (and presumably was sick beforehand?) there would have been no money coming in.
Almost certainly the reason for Alice and the children to end up in the workhouse.
The relevant page on www.workhouses.org.uk states:
Surviving records at Surrey History Centre, 130 Goldsworth Road, Woking, Surrey GU21 6ND. Limited holdings include Guardians' minutes (1835-1930).
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This is exactly what I thought; however, it wouldnt quite explain why her children were able to live alone and leave the workhouse and didnt take her with them. She didnt remarry for over a decade after you see her children living alone in 1911.
Thankyou for the address details for the records centre.
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A census is a snapshot of who was living/staying where on just 1 night.
There is no way of knowing whether Alice was actually living with her children or not; just from the census data.