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I am currently trying to find out more about my 8th times great-grandfather. all I have is his date of birth. Can anyone provide a clue about his wife or parents
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You’d need to share that date of birth, and anything else you know - where did he live, what child of his are you descended from and when/where was that child born.
Also what is the source of the birthdate that you have?
At the moment we don’t even know what country or century your research is concerned with.
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My apologies, Edward was born in 1602 probably in Wrington, Dorset His son was also Edward b 1622 and married Margret Eaton and their first born was John b. 1642. This is my direct line.
i have no reason to suspect that they lived anywhere but in East London i.e. Bethnal Green/Shoreditch.
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Where and when was John 1642 baptised
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I'm unable to find Wrington listed here: http://www.opcdorset.org/index.htm
Google search shows a Wrington in Somerset.
Where did you find Edward's (b.1602) details?
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Where and when was John 1642 baptised
I don't know
regards
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Where and when was John 1642 baptised
I don't know
regards
How do you know who his parents were without his baptism :-\
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I do not know who his parents were nor do Iknow who he married but I do know the name of his son and who his son married.
Regards
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I’m a bit confused as well. You say they never lived anywhere but East London, but you’re looking at a place in the West Country. Im sure people here will be happy to help, but at the moment this sounds like a stab in the dark. Who is the most distant ancestor on this line whose birth and family details you’ve been able to confirm? Perhaps work back from there?
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Bethnal Green was a hamlet in the 17th century and not an obvious magnet for people coming all the way from the West Country. Who is the earliest Lovell ancestor you have traced with confidence in the London area, and how have you made the leap from there to earlier Dorset/Somerset ancestry?
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There’s this baptism no further details transcription only
John Lovell Baptism 08 May 1642 Holborn London
Father Edward Lovell Mother Margret
Record set England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975
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This information in several trees on ancestry (as possible background):
John Lovell born 1642, London
Spouse Alice Southin
Father Edward Lovell Mother Margaret Eaton
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This is a suggested marriage :
Edward Lavell
Marriage Date: 21st February 1640
Marriage Place: Saint Vedast Foster Lane and Saint Michael Le Querlo,London,London,England
Spouse: Margarett Eaton
FHL Film Number: 942 B4HA V. 30
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I'm assuming you've probably got your information from an online tree/trees which I'm afraid is/are wrong especially with regard to John Lovell.
Yes, a John Lovell was bp.8/5/1642 St. Andrew, Holborn, son of Edward (Buttermaker) and Margaret. However, this John Lovell died and was buried the following year!!
John Lovell bur.23/6/1643 St. Andrew, Holborn, son of Edward Lovell, Buttermaker.
So, whoever the John Lovell who married Alice Southin 19/1/1667 St. Bartholomew the Less, London was, he definitely wasn't the one bp.8/5/1642 to Edward and Margaret as that one died as an infant.
(I note from the online trees that both John and Alice's fathers are stated to be named Edward and yet none of their 3 sons bore this name which is very odd for the time).
In fact, looking at the trees I suspect a great deal of the stated facts. I find it very strange, for instance, that the Robert Lovell bp'd 1715 is said to be the only child born to a Robert Lovell and Mary Payne married in 1693, some 22 years after the marriage. Sounds very suspect.
Annette
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Apologies for absence from website. I am confident that robert lovell b.1670 married mary payne in 1693/94. Equally I know that their son Robert b.1715 married Martha Smilten in 1753. If I am correct Edward b. 1622 married margret eaton in 1640. their son john was b.1642 and married alice Southin in 1667. My weakness in Edwards birthplace being in Eastbourne and his father I have accepted at stretch his birth in Wrington, which as you say is in somerset. most of my info is from Family Search and some from Ancestry where I am concerned that there may be one too many edwards i.e did Edward b.1602 marry margret. i am open to suggestions.
Regards
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19 Jan 1667 St Bartholomew the Less - John Lovell married Alice Southin.
When did this John die and does it give any indication of his age at death or have you just gone back 25 years to establish a birth date.
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Annette has made one very relevant suggestion --that in fact the John who married Alice Southin couldn't have been the son of Edward and Margaret b 1642 --as the latter died in infancy!
Yes, a John Lovell was bp.8/5/1642 St. Andrew, Holborn, son of Edward (Buttermaker) and Margaret. However, this John Lovell died and was buried the following year!!
John Lovell bur.23/6/1643 St. Andrew, Holborn, son of Edward Lovell, Buttermaker.
So if you're looking to trace the parents of John, you need to work backwards from 1667, not forwards from the 1500s.
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John and Alice baptised the following children at St Sepulchre between 1668 - 1675:
John; William; Robert; Prudence; Alice.
Whilst of course they may not have adopted the common naming schemes, I'd be more inclined to look for fathers called John, William or Robert, rather than Edward.
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19 Jan 1667 St Bartholomew the Less - John Lovell married Alice Southin
When did this John die and does it give any indication of his age at death or have you just gone back 25 years to establish a birth date.
I don't know when he died, his birth is established and I have little more sense than just picking 25 as a means of establishing his birth
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19 Jan 1667 St Bartholomew the Less - John Lovell married Alice Southin
When did this John die and does it give any indication of his age at death or have you just gone back 25 years to establish a birth date.
I don't know when he died, his birth is established and I have little more sense than just picking 25 as a means of establishing his birth
Sorry but I did not mean to imply that you had little sense. People often use 25 years as a probable time span between a birth and a marriage. The birth that you are quoting for this John in 1642 cannot be your John as he died in infancy. I was hoping that perhaps you had a burial for your John that might give an age at death
Yes, a John Lovell was bp.8/5/1642 St. Andrew, Holborn, son of Edward (Buttermaker) and Margaret. However, this John Lovell died and was buried the following year!!
John Lovell bur.23/6/1643 St. Andrew, Holborn, son of Edward Lovell, Buttermaker.
So, whoever the John Lovell who married Alice Southin 19/1/1667 St. Bartholomew the Less, London was, he definitely wasn't the one bp.8/5/1642 to Edward and Margaret as that one died as an infant.
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I think I have to accept the premise that I have the wrong John Lovell, although the one that married Alice Southin is the right one. Now my 86 yard are beginning to show because now i don't know where to look next. My thanks to all of you for your help and guidance
regards
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Where were the children of John Lovell and Alice Southin baptised
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Where were the children of John Lovell and Alice Southin baptised
They were all baptised at St Sepulchre, Holborn
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I can't see anything that early on the national archives website for Lovell's in Holborn, a will could have helped. The trouble is John Lovell could have been born anywhere and we can only speculate as to his year of birth. Sorry I cannot help you with this.
Rosie
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I can't see anything that early on the national archives website for Lovell's in Holborn, a will could have helped. The trouble is John Lovell could have been born anywhere and we can only speculate as to his year of birth. Sorry I cannot help you with this.
Rosie
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Thank you. I checked and found that John and Alice married at St Bartholemew the Less so maybe they moved.
Norman
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Maybe St Bartholomews was where Alice was living.