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Research in Other Countries => New Zealand => New Zealand Completed Requests => Topic started by: ahau on Thursday 01 August 19 08:47 BST (UK)
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Hi,
Could someone help decipher the writing for what is under the headings Abode and Quality, Trade or Profession for these two baptism entries. I put the two into one file as that may help to work out what some of the words are. I am fairly sure that the "Quality, Trade or Profession" is not "dead" :-\
(http://images.maori.org.nz/WC/KAMITIforabode.JPG)
Thank you for your time :)
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I think it says "Since dead".
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Hi,
I thought the second extract read - Miner dead.
But then I looked again at the word written under "Abode" on the first extract and decided it looked very much like the word on No.2 I'd decided was miner ! ???
Sorry if that's no help at all.
Looby :)
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It does very much look like "dead"........
Minniehaha.
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It does very much look like "dead"........
Minniehaha.
I agree, it does look like "dead".
Looby
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Both look like "since dead" to me. Perhaps as Paul was baptised as an adult, he subsequently died before the register could be written up, you might find a burial.....?
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Both look like "since dead" to me. Perhaps as Paul was baptised as an adult, he subsequently died before the register could be written up, you might find a burial.....?
Was Paul baptised as an adult ?
I read the extract as Paul's parent's forename has been recorded as 'Adult' .....perhaps the mother died at or just after his birth ?
Looby :)
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Thank you all for the input! I would never have got "since" from that scrawl ;D
Paul was baptised on the same day as his wife Rebecca whose baptism record is shown below - and doesn't tell much - and no "since dead" or any of those details
(http://images.maori.org.nz/WC/RebeccaKAMITIBaptism.JPG)
They also had another child, Richard, before Caroline and his record is below and again no "since dead". That was on the 20 Nov 1837.
(http://images.maori.org.nz/WC/RichardKAMITIBaptism.JPG)
I suppose that "since dead" for the parents of Paul and "since dead" for him on the certificate for Caroline makes sense :-\
What do you all make of the Abode on the cert for Caroline in the first post? Mangata or Uangata and Kauere or Kauiri or something else?
Once again I really appreciate all of your input! :D
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Kamiti ? There seem to be two dots over two i letters.
Viktoria.
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Kaniere?
Charlie
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Looks like William Williams - the early missionary - officiated. He was based in Northland.
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Well Kaniere is a place - but in Westland and I doubt the baptism would have been done in the Kaitaia area for that.
And you are right Charlie, it is William WILLIAMS that did the baptisms before he ended up way down south :)
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Kauri? This is in Northland.......
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kauri,_New_Zealand
Minniehaha.
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I found someone from the area and they worked out that it could be be Mangatete - which is a settlement no longer but couldn't work out that Kauri(?) one.
I think that the place Kauri is too far south of the old Mangatete settlement ... but at least I am getting more ideas of where to go tramping about :D
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Location of KAURI .......
https://www.google.com/search?ei=hA9FXYPqE_DSz7sPqdem4AQ&q=where+is+kauri+%2Bnorthland&oq=where+is+kauri+%2Bnorthland&gs_l=psy-ab.12...44879.82182..84910...4.0..0.332.6102.0j22j8j1......0....1..gws-wiz.......0i71j0i7i30j0i13j0i7i10i30j0j0i10j0i22i30j0i22i10i30j33i22i29i30j33i21.YVBL5ioW5GU&ved=0ahUKEwiDvJPA8OXjAhVw6XMBHamrCUwQ4dUDCAo
Minniehaha.
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Appreciate the link and like the way you did that Minniehaha! Nice to learn new search tricks!
Mangatete and "kauri" would need to be in the same area (I think) and the distance today between the two is about a 3 hour drive today - I am sure they did not live in 2 different places that in those days would be a day or two apart?
The register for these cryptic writings is by William WILLIAMS who was based from Bay of Islands north, and Kauri is well south of there - about 1 hour drive be today's standards.
But I do appreciate all of your ideas and suggestions Minniehaha :)
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I am not familiar with the area and can't read that handwriting either so just floating a few possibilities....... ;D
Minniehaha.
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Possibilities are always good as they can lead to more possibilities which can lead to maybe a solution ;D
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Does the second word start with a small letter? Is it all one word? Is that a colon after the first word?
Lots of questions I'm afraid.
Charlie
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Oh true - that does look like a : after the first word and the symbol on the next line looks like &
back to the drawing board, or maybe a very old atlas ...
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Aha! I was in the Te Ahu (Kaitaia) archives today and saw a whole lot of entries in the registers for Mangatakauere - one word not 2 ;D
So with that, I googled it when I got home. Mangatakauere is by Pamapuria, which is just south of Kaitaia on SH1.
There are also quite a lot of "since dead" entries too throughout the baptism registers, and very few Occupations listed.
Thank you for everyone who has given suggestions - all your input is very much appreciated :D
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Great find.
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Greetings again Karl G.
You would like to contribute to the forum? Please go right ahead. :)
Minniehaha.
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Hello thread.
Karl has just sent me a PRIVATE message. There in he stated he had been reading my posts and activity on the forum, and expressed a wish to correspond with me due to research of mine that involves his roots.
I have replied by MP. Presume he posted on several threads so that he could approach me privately.
Alan.
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Kia ora Ahau
Think that the word is one as you found..neatly put onto two lines Mangatakauere
Anyway just wondered if you had come across this great resource
http://www.maorilandonline.govt.nz/gis/home.htm
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Hi Sranreagh,
That's a brilliant resource, and certainly new to me!
May I add it to the Resources & Offers pages? I'll credit you.
Spades
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Please add it to the Resources board, that will be great. No need to ack me. :D
I used it often when working. Will get my thinking cap on to see if I can remember some others.
One more
http://www.whakapapaclub.nz/information/where-to-start/
The Maorilandonline site may be there already under whakapapa.
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Hi Sranreagh,
That's a brilliant resource, and certainly new to me!
May I add it to the Resources & Offers pages? I'll credit you.
Spades
Spades.
I agree it should be added to the resources board. It is one I've used before, and quoted on posts herein.
Alan.