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Please could someone help me identify the uniform of my relative in the photo, from WW1, approx 1917. His Name was Jessie Jubilee Green, born 1897 in March, Cambridgeshire. I have no other Military information about him.
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As nobody else has chipped in, here goes with my thoughts.
The uniform appears to be standard WW1 service dress, as worn by many thousands, but with a smartly tailored collar. He seems to be a private or equivalent rank. The lanyard on his left shoulder is not really a clue, as soldiers were all issued with one. The object hanging from his pocket is probably a civilian watch chain. On his left sleeve above the cuff is a wound badge, so he must have seen active service. I cannot detect any evidence from the uniform.
More later if I can find anything.
A
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I see that Jesse survived the war. Have you looked to see if there are any pension records for him?
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Is that his daughter or sister with him as he didn't marry until 1920 so his docs could be still be with MOD.
I would like someone who knows about uniforms to date it but the WW1 uniform very likely went on after 1919.
He'd only be 21 at the end of WW1.
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Not his sister and daughter born 1930 by the look of it, maybe a niece?????????
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He appears to have come from a fairly large family and is the youngest one. There are five siblings with him in the 1911 census. So the little girl may well be a niece.
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Looks like he's been wounded - stripe on left forearm.
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Thank you for replying, everyone is spot on with family information. Little girl is probably a niece, and I believe the photo to have been taken at the end of the War, but before he married. So approx 1919-20. Until this photo recently surfaced I had no idea that he even fought in the War. His family were from an agricultural family and community, and many farmers were exempt. His family history is not the mystery (but thank you so much for putting the time in) its what the uniform can tell me. I will see if I can push the situation forward your helpful suggestions. Thanks
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No medals or medal ribbons worn on uniform so wouldn't think it as late as 1920.
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Hi Medpat
The Niece that I think the little girl could be was born Aug 1914, and I was thinking she could be as young as three in the picture?? That could make the picture 1917, when Jess would have been aged 20 years. Do you think looking at their pictures he could be 20, and 3yrs. Of course I'm not sure if the girl is who I think she is. There is only one contender in the family tree, his niece Verna Wiles.
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This is a known picture of Verna Wiles born 1914. Very poor i know. This is who I think the little girl in the picture may well be.
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The fashion of the time could give you a good idea. It's difficult to tell re the photo and there could be several young girls who are alike in the family.
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I agree Medpat, but there are no nieces born at the right time. It of course could be a neighbour or friends daughter, I think its just a possible.
Carole
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The little girl with the soldier has a picture locket around her neck, could she have lost her Father during the war and the necklace contained a photo of him. Just and idea.
Carol
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Hi Treetotal,
She didn't loose her father,but he did service in the Grenadier Guards and was away during the War. Good thinking, thank you.
Carole
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There's Mabel 1912 and Elsie 1913 children of Charles Green and Susan Sutton
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This is a picture of Charles and Susan and children. Medpat you are making me take another hard look at what I already have... thank you because i think the older girl looks like our contender!
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Yes I would say so too. The eyebrows are the same.
Carol
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Both girls have a look similar to the young girl so I think it's one from this family and age wise it is a better match for a picture I think could be before the end of WW1 due to no medals on his uniform.
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I think we've hit something here. Thank you. I think it look to more like Mabel, b. 1912. Picture therefore would be 1915 ish. Might mean that Jess had already served a year, and sustained a wound as indicated from the stripe on his left arm jacket.
I feel more certain as I look at the two pictures side by side that this is more lightly to be Mabel.
Carole
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Well at least we've helped put it in the right time frame and you know he was injured. The rest would be for uniform specialists. Buttons often denote which regiment.
I'm not good at army (WRAF myself ;)).
Pity so many documents were lost in WW2 bombing.
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I have just zoomed in on the locket that Susan Green is wearing, and I think that it could be the one around the neck of the little girl in the first picture.
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The picture locket worn by the little girl with Jess looks similar to the one worn by Susan in the family group, could it be the same locket? If you have any more family photos have a look to see if the locket appears on any of them.
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I have just zoomed in on the locket that Susan Green is wearing, and I think that it could be the one around the neck of the little girl in the first picture.
We're both thinking the same thing Carole ;D
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It might be a good idea to scan both the lockets only, at a resolution of 1200dpi to compare them. I thought they looked to be a different shape. Both girls in the family group seem to be wearing heart shaped lockets.
Carol
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I thought they looked to be a different shape.
Carol
Hi Carol, I think the locket worn by Susan is turned at a slight angle making it appear more oval.
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Both pictures came from an elderly second distant cousin who I have never met. I know she went to considerable trouble to send them to me - photocopied. I don't think I can improve the resolution from what she given me. I will have scanned them at a fairly high for precisely this reason. i will however go and check with my magnifying glass!!!
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I thought they looked to be a different shape.
Carol
Hi Carol, I think the locket worn by Susan is turned at a slight angle making it appear more oval.
You could be right Jool but this is what I thought she could be wearing.
Carol
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I thought that he might have served in the same regiment as his brothers,if one of their records could found.I'm fairly certain I can find a Chelsea Pensioner record for Harry,who served in The Artillery(R.H. & R.F.A.),but no others.Highly speculative of course.
Regards
Roger
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Thanks Roger, I was wondering if that was the case - I have harry's records. But i cannot find a Jess,jesse, or jessie serving in the same regiment. Thats an interesting find re the locket of Queen Victoria. I've been out with the dog and haven'tmanaged yet to take a look at the originall copies sent to me
Carole
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Highly unlikely,but is it possible that this is a photo of Harry Green and his daughter Jessie,born 1916?
Perhaps the "wound" marker is consistent with a Chelsea Pension?The person looks a little old to have been born 1897.Just a thought.
Regards
Roger
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You never know, you could be right Roger.
Birth of Jessie below:-
GREEN, JESSIE EMERY
GRO Reference: 1918 J Quarter in NORTH WITCHFORD Volume 03B Page 751
Jessie had three siblings:-
Births Dec 1915
GREEN George H Emery N.Witchford 3b 812
Births Dec 1916
Green Ella M Emery N. Witchford 3b 798
Births Sep 1919
Green Alfred W Emery N.Witchford 3b 703
Could Ella be a contender?
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Apologies,got Ella and Jessie dates reversed-even less convinced now!
Roger
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Thats an interesting find re the locket of Queen Victoria. [/b]
Carole
Not Queen Victoria Carole, a Victorian picture locket. I have a rose gold double sided one a bit bigger than the one shown. That's what drew me to it.
Carol
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The record for Harry Green says he enlisted in 1910 and was discharged in Feb.1911,prior to the census on payment of £10.
I can't find any evidence that he later re-enlisted,though that doesn't mean he didn't!
On enlistment he apparently had scarring on the tip of his ring finger.
Roger
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Thanks Girl guide,
Dont think she's from Harry's family. Would make the picture later. Plus they kept themselves very much to themselves.