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Beginners => Family History Beginners Board => Topic started by: Linda Smaill on Saturday 27 July 19 10:23 BST (UK)
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Searching for My grandmothers siblings. My grandmother Euphemia (nee MURRY) was born in Athy 1898 and married William Simpson NEILL in Athy in 1920. She died 24.11. 1961.
Euphemia had a brother John MURRY who was possibly older than Euphemia. John was a farmer in Athy. John had five children but was widowed early and died himself not long afterwards. The children (my fathers cousins) went to live with a relative in Myshall, County Carlow. The children's names were:
John or Jack - the eldest, joined the air force in 1938, shot down and killed over Norway.
David-joined the navy on the Ark Royal, but was transferred to a submarine shortly before the Ark Royal was sunk. Later lived in Canada, Montreal and then Toronto and/or Ottawa.
Dorothy-Married the Irish ambassador to Germany and lived in Germany. His name is William WARNOCK and he was ambassador from 1939 to 1944 and 1956 to 1962. Have been able to locate a little information and a couple of photos of William via google search.
Coral- no details
Oswald- born around 1930. Emigrated to England.
Euphemia-my grandmother- also had a sister Antoinette, who had about 12 children.
Antoinette possibly married a man named SUTTON who was owner of a drapers shop on Rathdrum, Ireland. There may have been another sister for Euphemia, whose married name was FITZPATRICK and who lived in Ottawa.
John, Euphmia, and Antoinette were Protestant and not Roman Catholic, as far as I know.
Is anyone familiar with this area, and able to help locate any living family or provide information about those who have passed away?
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Welcome to RootsChat we should be able to help with those who has passed but RootsChat has a no living persons rule.
Anyone who can help with the living will have to contact you by private message for that to work you need at least one more post to this thread.
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You should be able to find a lot of records on Irish Genealogy, you will need to prove your not a robot and sign in be sure to tick the small box
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp
Here for example is your grandmother's marriage cert
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1920/09262/5353057.pdf
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This looks like Euphemia and family in 1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Queen_s_Co_/Castletown/Bohernaghty/1642439/
And 1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Kildare/Athy_Rural/Belview/535425/
Which gives a 1896 birth for Euphemia in Queens County
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1896/02181/1825845.pdf
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Welcome to RootsChat :)
As Sinann says, RootsChat policy states that details of living people may not be discussed on the open boards of the forum.
Here is the marriage of your great grandparents in 1891.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1891/10661/5884532.pdf
KG
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Might this be your grandmother in the 1911 census as an apprentice aged 15?
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/King_s_Co_/Edenderry_Urban/Main_Street/554975/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai002655722/
KG
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John had five children but was widowed early and died himself not long afterwards.
Death of John Murray in 1937.
Informant was his brother-in-law W (William) Neill of Foxhill. #195
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1937/04783/4284314.pdf
https://www.townlands.ie/kildare/narragh-reban-east/moone/athy-rural/foxhill/
KG
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Possible marriage for John:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1921/09219/5335283.pdf
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From the marriage found by candrjm, the civil parish of Myshall, Co. Carlow.
https://www.townlands.ie/carlow/myshall2/
KG
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Death of David Murray in 1931 in Ardreigh (sic), Athy. #492
Informant is his son John Murray.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1931/04898/4327414.pdf
Ardree townland & Civil Parish outside Athy.
https://www.townlands.ie/kildare/kilkea-moone/ardree/athy-rural/ardree/
KG
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I found a piece in the newspapers when one of Dorothy's children was visiting her cousins in 1969, when you have made another post I'll PM you the names, and a few other bits.
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January 1938 there is a notice of sale for land and house in Ardree Co.Kildare which the court is selling for the children, the children's name are slightly different than the way you have them, with some of the names you have as second names, I'll PM you how they give them, in case any are still living.
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https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp
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A huge thank you to all those who found information so quickly. I invite any living relatives to PM me.
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Hi. Your GGrandmother Annie Louden (Euphemia Murray’s mother) was a sister of my Grandmother, who was Margaret Louden. Your great aunt Annie Louden Murray married Walter Taylor Fitzpatrick in Ottawa on 7 Sep 1921. They had 4 daughters: Esther Anne (married Henry Pearce Rosewarne), Nora (married David Hanson), Iris (married Donald George Bennett) and Joan (married Ronald Jackson Patterson). I think all had children. According to the Irish censuses for 1901 and 1911, Euphemia had 2 other sisters: Elizabeth (b 1892) and Martha (b 1900) but I haven’t any details about them. I can’t find any reference to Antoinette. I was interested to hear about John’s family. Do you know who he married? You were right in thinking that the Murrays were Presbyterians. Some are buried in the Presbyterian section of St Michaels’ old churchyard in Athy. You may already know that your GGGrandmother was Margaret Wilson Wedderburn (1838–1913) whose family is very well documented and can be traced back to a Robert Wedderburn (1460–1518). The earliest reference to the family is in 1296. You may also have seem this reference to your uncle David, which appeared in a blog “Athy, Eye on the Past”. It was entitled “Athy Boy in Historic Battle” and re-told a report from 1941.
Mr. David Murray, Ardreigh, Athy was a wireless operator on board the British warship Norfolk, while the vessel took part with other British naval units in the recent battle with the German Battleship Bismarc. He is a son of the late Mr. John Murray, Ardreigh, formerly a Lieutenant in the British Army, and is a nephew of Mrs. W. Neill, Foxhill, Athy. His brother John, while engaged as a wireless operator on board a British naval craft was killed last year when his ship was sunk by a German bomber off the Norwegian coast.
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Hi
According to www.irishgenealogy.ie, it was Martha Murray (sic) who in 1919 married John Sutton, a Draper. Both gave addresses as Rathdrum. Euphemia Murray (sic) named as one of the Witnesses. See:-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1919/09685/5512892.pdf
Cheers