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Title: Henry Smith born 1817
Post by: noeline on Saturday 27 July 19 04:31 BST (UK)
looking for any information to do with Henry Smith born 1817 Upper Slaughter. transported on the Mangles 1839, thanks Noeline Donaldson, New Zealand
Title: Re: Henry Smith born 1817
Post by: solidrock on Saturday 27 July 19 07:09 BST (UK)
Just checking you have the right Henry Smith. The one you say was convicted of Breaking and entering and stealing. Sentence : 10 years. Departure date:    21st November, 1839. Arrival date:    27th April, 1840. NSW.
There is a Henry Smith, Mangles (6), Recommended Conditional Pardon 1846

There is also another Henry Smith 1833 Mangles. who got Ticket of Leave in 1843, Conditional Pardon 1848.
Title: Re: Henry Smith born 1817
Post by: maddys52 on Saturday 27 July 19 08:01 BST (UK)
According to this site there were 3 Henry SMITHs on the Mangles in 1833
https://www.jenwilletts.com/searchaction.php?page=9&surname=&ship=mangles%201833&firstname=

Info about Henry SMITH on the Mangles 1839 here:
https://convictrecords.com.au/convicts/smith/henry/43049
Note: originally sent to Norfolk Island, then Tasmania. Conduct record etc available at tas linc

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01o3j/

Modified to put correct link to convictrecords
Title: Re: Henry Smith born 1817
Post by: Capetown on Saturday 27 July 19 08:46 BST (UK)
?

Public Member's Tree on Ancestry

Henry SMITH - birth 2 Aug 1817 Upper Slaughter (baptism Bristol)- parents given as Martin SMITH and Elizabeth

Marriage 10 December 1847, Horton Tasmania to Hannah STEARNE  (witnesses: James DODD and Peter HEARNE)

Family Search, has James DODD married Mary Therpe STEARNE - 25 December 1846, Stanley, Tasmania

children:

Rosetta Hannah SMITH - 1848-1928
Henry SMITH - 1850-1851
James SMITH - 1854-1854
3 alternatives deaths given for Henry - also a question mark re England


etc etc


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Ancestry Upper Slaughter Baptisms - no record of above baptism etc


Copy of Marriage on Family Search

at St Paul's Church, Stanley (District of Horton)

Henry SMITH aged 29 (c1818) - occupation Tailor

Hannah STEARNE - age 17


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Alsion HEATHORN's Family Tree

Henry SMITH born in 1818 - deceased 12 June 1884 - at sea, Tasmania aged 66 years old

Married Anna or Hannah STEARNE 1831-1928 10 December 1847, Duck River, Horton, Tasmania

Children

Rosetta Ann SMITH - 1848-1909
Henry Albert SMITH - 1850-1850
Henry Thorpe (Thornton) SMITH - 1852-1912
James SMITH - 1854-1854
Janet Emily SMITH - 1856-1944
Thomas Peter SMITH - 1860-1921
Mary Harriet SMITH - 1863-1884
Title: Re: Henry Smith born 1817
Post by: Capetown on Saturday 27 July 19 12:24 BST (UK)

? As the STEARNE family where from Norwich, Norfolk

?  Rosetta would seem to be a family name

There is a marriage of a John SMITH 11 June 1810, Norwich, Norfolk to a Rosetta MORELEY
Title: Re: Henry Smith born 1817
Post by: maddys52 on Saturday 27 July 19 22:40 BST (UK)
I think as there are so many Henry SMITH s we need to wait till Noelene can confirm which is the correct family in Australia, presumably working back from a known ancestor. :)

As has been demonstrated many times on rootschat, trees on Ancestry are not necessarily correct. ;D
Title: Re: Henry Smith born 1817
Post by: solidrock on Saturday 27 July 19 23:58 BST (UK)
"Public Member's Tree on Ancestry

Henry SMITH - birth 2 Aug 1817 Upper Slaughter (baptism Bristol)- parents given as Martin SMITH and Elizabeth"

Is there a source for this birth?
Title: Re: Henry Smith born 1817
Post by: solidrock on Sunday 28 July 19 03:14 BST (UK)
Smith, Henry.  Marriage Permissions.
Ship/free: Duke of Richmond. 
Marriage to: Proctor, Zillah.
Ship/free: Emma Eugenia.
Permission date: 31 Oct 1845.

Henry Smith. DOB 1818. Age 27.
Spouse  Zilla Proctor. DOB 1818. Age 27.
Marriage.  15 Dec 1845, Hobart, Tasmania.


Title: Re: Henry Smith born 1817
Post by: solidrock on Sunday 28 July 19 03:58 BST (UK)
How did you arrive at Upper Slaughter for his birth place. According to one record...

Single; butcher; 5’7 1/4”; aged 26yrs; Protestant; can read & write; fresh complexion; brown hair; grey eyes.
Native place of birth - Warwickshire, Birmingham.

If he was convicted in Montgomery Quarter Sessions he may also have been born there.

Henry Ellis Smith.
Baptism  15 Jan 1818
Welshpool, Montgomeryshire.
Title: Re: Henry Smith born 1817
Post by: solidrock on Sunday 28 July 19 08:32 BST (UK)
Smith, Henry
Departure date: 23 Feb 1844
Departure port: Norfolk Island
Ship: Duke of Richmond



https://stors.tas.gov.au/CON33-1-52$init=CON33-1-52p162
Title: Re: Henry Smith born 1817
Post by: maddys52 on Monday 29 July 19 07:25 BST (UK)
Links to your other threads about Henry:

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=545737.0
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=776584.msg6302836#msg6302836

I'm assuming that you are definitely searching for the Henry SMITH (tailor) who married Hannah STEARNE in 1847?
It does seem unlikely that he would change profession from butcher to tailor, but not impossible. Could you please confirm that this marriage is the one you are looking at?  :)
Title: Re: Henry Smith born 1817
Post by: solidrock on Tuesday 30 July 19 07:00 BST (UK)
If it's Henry Smith who arrived Mangles 1839, butcher then he married Zillah Proctor.
Title: Re: Henry Smith born 1817
Post by: maddys52 on Tuesday 30 July 19 08:11 BST (UK)
Yes, that's correct solid rock. Here's the link to the marriage permission in case Noeline wants proof.
https://linctas.ent.sirsidynix.net.au/client/en_AU/names/search/results?qu=zillah&qu=proctor

I wonder if Noeline is interested in commenting at all? We're here to help!  ;)