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Title: LORD EXMOUTH PUB, LIVERPOOL
Post by: jan w on Wednesday 24 July 19 10:08 BST (UK)
Hi, Does anyone know if it's possible to find out who was leasing the Lord Exmouth pub in Liverpool in the first decades of the 19th C?
Jan in Oz
Title: Re: LORD EXMOUTH PUB, LIVERPOOL
Post by: ShaunJ on Wednesday 24 July 19 10:36 BST (UK)
I can't find any record of a pub of that name in Liverpool. There was one across the water in Birkenhead from around 1870.

There was a Lord Exmouth post coach that ran daily from Liverpool to Newcastle from around April 1823. And of course there was a ship of that name.

Title: Re: LORD EXMOUTH PUB, LIVERPOOL
Post by: Milliepede on Wednesday 24 July 19 11:46 BST (UK)
We could look it up on a census if we had the correct name - where did the information come from that Lord Exmouth was the name Jan?
Title: Re: LORD EXMOUTH PUB, LIVERPOOL
Post by: jan w on Thursday 25 July 19 13:13 BST (UK)
 Hi there,
Thank you both for your replies. The reference to the Lord Exmouth was in Gores Liverpool General Advertiser dated 1826, in the context of an insolvency case relating to Richard Whitford. The pub was in Salthouse Dock, and could have been owned by Ann Jones. So, it's too early for census I'm afraid. I'm sure the pub is long gone, I just thought there might be some records of publicans.
thanks again,
Jan
Title: Re: LORD EXMOUTH PUB, LIVERPOOL
Post by: ShaunJ on Thursday 25 July 19 13:40 BST (UK)
The 1825 Gore's directory lists Ann Jones ( Whitford's sister per the news report) as a victualler at 26 east side, Salthouse Dock. By 1827 Thomas Maguire is the licensee at that address.
Title: Re: LORD EXMOUTH PUB, LIVERPOOL
Post by: stanmapstone on Thursday 25 July 19 13:45 BST (UK)
"East Side Salthouse Dock" is the name of the road running parallel to the dock see the map at https://www.old-maps.co.uk/#/Map/334331/389837/13/100870 unfortunately without a subscription it is not possible to zoom in enough to see the names of the pubs.

Stan
Title: Re: LORD EXMOUTH PUB, LIVERPOOL
Post by: jan w on Thursday 25 July 19 13:49 BST (UK)
Thank you - exactly the information I needed!
Title: Re: LORD EXMOUTH PUB, LIVERPOOL
Post by: ShaunJ on Thursday 25 July 19 13:51 BST (UK)
Baines directory of 1824 records that the name of the pub was then the Runcorn & Northwich Tavern, (John Adams, 26, East Side,Salthouse dock).
Title: Re: LORD EXMOUTH PUB, LIVERPOOL
Post by: jan w on Thursday 25 July 19 14:06 BST (UK)
The name change is interesting - I wonder why.
Title: Re: LORD EXMOUTH PUB, LIVERPOOL
Post by: stanmapstone on Thursday 25 July 19 14:17 BST (UK)
1847: Ackermann’s Panoramic View of Liverpool showing East Side Salthouse Dock
https://historic-liverpool.co.uk/old-maps-of-liverpool/ackermanns-panoramic-view-of-liverpool-1847/#6/69.127/-49.120

Stan
Title: Re: LORD EXMOUTH PUB, LIVERPOOL
Post by: ShaunJ on Thursday 25 July 19 14:20 BST (UK)
The old name was certainly uninspiring and probably a relic of the days when Salthouse dock was used for exporting salt mined in Cheshire and refined in Liverpool.
Title: Re: LORD EXMOUTH PUB, LIVERPOOL
Post by: ShaunJ on Thursday 25 July 19 18:11 BST (UK)
Around that early/mid 1820's period there was a Mary Whitford, victualler, at 14 Ranelagh Street (The Grapes). A relative?
Title: Re: LORD EXMOUTH PUB, LIVERPOOL
Post by: jan w on Friday 26 July 19 01:19 BST (UK)
Thanks for the map, Stan.
Re Mary Whitford - very interesting, she's not on my list, but there weren't many Whitfords in Llverpool at that time. I will investigate.
best wishes,
Jan
 
Title: Re: LORD EXMOUTH PUB, LIVERPOOL
Post by: Chilternbirder on Friday 26 July 19 09:11 BST (UK)
The name change is interesting - I wonder why.
The title was only created in 1816 for Admiral Pellew. He was a popular officer and the landlord may have been an old sailor.
Title: Re: LORD EXMOUTH PUB, LIVERPOOL
Post by: jan w on Friday 26 July 19 23:25 BST (UK)
Aha! Another clue - thanks for that. My ancestor was a mariner.
Jan
Title: Re: LORD EXMOUTH PUB, LIVERPOOL
Post by: garstonite on Saturday 27 July 19 07:01 BST (UK)
Aha! Another clue - thanks for that. My ancestor was a mariner.
Jan

this them ?

Baptism: 1 Sep 1805 St Nicholas, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
John Dennis Whitford - son of Dennis Whitford & Mary (formerly Lloyd)
    Born: 3 May 1805
    Abode: Dock side
    Occupation: Mariner
........................................
and the son now having children baptised

Baptism: 22 Jul 1844 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
John Whitford - [Child] of John Whitford & Elizabeth
    Born: 30 Apr 1844
    Abode: Bolton St
    Occupation: Mariner
Title: Re: LORD EXMOUTH PUB, LIVERPOOL
Post by: stanmapstone on Saturday 27 July 19 08:41 BST (UK)
The title was only created in 1816 for Admiral Pellew. He was a popular officer and the landlord may have been an old sailor.

From the Morning Post - Friday 11 November 1814
Stan
Title: Re: LORD EXMOUTH PUB, LIVERPOOL
Post by: jan w on Saturday 27 July 19 09:37 BST (UK)
No, not my ancestor. I believe the Liverpool line started with Richard Whitford, mariner, born in Cornwall, married Charlotte Jones on the Isle of Man, son Robert Henry born in 1814. Thanks, anyway.
Jan
Title: Re: LORD EXMOUTH PUB, LIVERPOOL
Post by: Chilternbirder on Sunday 28 July 19 10:23 BST (UK)
The title was only created in 1816 for Admiral Pellew. He was a popular officer and the landlord may have been an old sailor.

From the Morning Post - Friday 11 November 1814
Stan
Oops, 1816 was the creation of the title Viscount Exmouth. He was created Baron Exmouth in 1814.