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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: jan w on Wednesday 24 July 19 10:08 BST (UK)
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Hi, Does anyone know if it's possible to find out who was leasing the Lord Exmouth pub in Liverpool in the first decades of the 19th C?
Jan in Oz
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I can't find any record of a pub of that name in Liverpool. There was one across the water in Birkenhead from around 1870.
There was a Lord Exmouth post coach that ran daily from Liverpool to Newcastle from around April 1823. And of course there was a ship of that name.
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We could look it up on a census if we had the correct name - where did the information come from that Lord Exmouth was the name Jan?
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Hi there,
Thank you both for your replies. The reference to the Lord Exmouth was in Gores Liverpool General Advertiser dated 1826, in the context of an insolvency case relating to Richard Whitford. The pub was in Salthouse Dock, and could have been owned by Ann Jones. So, it's too early for census I'm afraid. I'm sure the pub is long gone, I just thought there might be some records of publicans.
thanks again,
Jan
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The 1825 Gore's directory lists Ann Jones ( Whitford's sister per the news report) as a victualler at 26 east side, Salthouse Dock. By 1827 Thomas Maguire is the licensee at that address.
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"East Side Salthouse Dock" is the name of the road running parallel to the dock see the map at https://www.old-maps.co.uk/#/Map/334331/389837/13/100870 unfortunately without a subscription it is not possible to zoom in enough to see the names of the pubs.
Stan
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Thank you - exactly the information I needed!
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Baines directory of 1824 records that the name of the pub was then the Runcorn & Northwich Tavern, (John Adams, 26, East Side,Salthouse dock).
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The name change is interesting - I wonder why.
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1847: Ackermann’s Panoramic View of Liverpool showing East Side Salthouse Dock
https://historic-liverpool.co.uk/old-maps-of-liverpool/ackermanns-panoramic-view-of-liverpool-1847/#6/69.127/-49.120
Stan
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The old name was certainly uninspiring and probably a relic of the days when Salthouse dock was used for exporting salt mined in Cheshire and refined in Liverpool.
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Around that early/mid 1820's period there was a Mary Whitford, victualler, at 14 Ranelagh Street (The Grapes). A relative?
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Thanks for the map, Stan.
Re Mary Whitford - very interesting, she's not on my list, but there weren't many Whitfords in Llverpool at that time. I will investigate.
best wishes,
Jan
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The name change is interesting - I wonder why.
The title was only created in 1816 for Admiral Pellew. He was a popular officer and the landlord may have been an old sailor.
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Aha! Another clue - thanks for that. My ancestor was a mariner.
Jan
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Aha! Another clue - thanks for that. My ancestor was a mariner.
Jan
this them ?
Baptism: 1 Sep 1805 St Nicholas, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
John Dennis Whitford - son of Dennis Whitford & Mary (formerly Lloyd)
Born: 3 May 1805
Abode: Dock side
Occupation: Mariner
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and the son now having children baptised
Baptism: 22 Jul 1844 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
John Whitford - [Child] of John Whitford & Elizabeth
Born: 30 Apr 1844
Abode: Bolton St
Occupation: Mariner
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The title was only created in 1816 for Admiral Pellew. He was a popular officer and the landlord may have been an old sailor.
From the Morning Post - Friday 11 November 1814
Stan
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No, not my ancestor. I believe the Liverpool line started with Richard Whitford, mariner, born in Cornwall, married Charlotte Jones on the Isle of Man, son Robert Henry born in 1814. Thanks, anyway.
Jan
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The title was only created in 1816 for Admiral Pellew. He was a popular officer and the landlord may have been an old sailor.
From the Morning Post - Friday 11 November 1814
Stan
Oops, 1816 was the creation of the title Viscount Exmouth. He was created Baron Exmouth in 1814.