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Title: Looking for the Rose Brothers
Post by: Riddlebrick on Saturday 20 July 19 21:48 BST (UK)
I'm trying to find census records for James Joseph Rose 1884–1956 and Thomas Henry Rose 1890–? and their parents James Rose 1840–? and Ann Holden 1853–? (Married 18 Nov 1872 in Islington).

Both James Joseph Rose and Thomas Henry Rose married their respective wives on the 4th Aug 1912 at St Matthew, Westminster, England, father is showing as deceased on the certificates.

Title: Re: Looking for the Rose Brothers
Post by: Christine53 on Saturday 20 July 19 22:04 BST (UK)
Look for them in 1911 at the address on their marriage certificates - 256 New North Road Islington.
Ann Rose married Charles Osborne 4 Q 1894 Islington , I think. Haven't found them in 1891 yet.
Title: Re: Looking for the Rose Brothers
Post by: Ladyhawk on Saturday 20 July 19 22:05 BST (UK)
Morton Road, Islington, London & Middlesex
James   Rose   Head   Married   Male   51   1840   Timber Dealer   London, Middlesex, England
Ann   Rose   Wife   Married   Female   36   1855   -   London, Middlesex, England
James Joseph   Rose   Son   -   Male   7   1884   -   London, Middlesex, England
Thomas Henry   Rose   Son   -   Male   1   1890   -   London, Middlesex, England
1891c RG12 Piece number   170 Folio   7 Page   7
Title: Re: Looking for the Rose Brothers
Post by: Christine53 on Saturday 20 July 19 22:08 BST (UK)
Quote from: Ladyhawk on Saturday 20 July 19 22:05 BST (UK)
Morton Road, Islington, London & Middlesex
James   Rose   Head   Married   Male   51   1840   Timber Dealer   London, Middlesex, England
Ann   Rose   Wife   Married   Female   36   1855   -   London, Middlesex, England
James Joseph   Rose   Son   -   Male   7   1884   -   London, Middlesex, England
Thomas Henry   Rose   Son   -   Male   1   1890   -   London, Middlesex, England
1891c RG12 Piece number   170 Folio   7 Page   7

Just beat me to it , Ladyhawk  ;D
Title: Re: Looking for the Rose Brothers
Post by: Ladyhawk on Saturday 20 July 19 22:18 BST (UK)
Has Anne remarried?

2, Morton Road, Islington, London & Middlesex

Charles   Osborne   Head   Married   1870   Carman   Islington, Middlesex, England
Anne   Osborne   Wife   Married   1856   Dressmaker   Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England
Thomas H   ROSE Son   -   1890   -   Islington, Middlesex, England
Anne   Osborne   Daughter   1896   -   Islington, Middlesex, England
Lizzie   Osborne   Daughter   -   1899   -   Islington, Middlesex, England
Jane   Tadman   Servant   Widow   1837   Servant (Domestic)   Hoxton, Middlesex, England
Thomas   Turner   Boarder   1874   Tripe Dresser   Islington, Middlesex, England
Harry   Steadman   Boarder   1870   Pianoforte Maker   St Pancras, Middlesex,

RG13 Piece number   191 Folio   57 Page   10

Quote from: Christine53 on Saturday 20 July 19 22:04 BST (UK)
Look for them in 1911 at the address on their marriage certificates - 256 New North Road Islington.
Ann Rose married Charles Osborne 4 Q 1894 Islington , I think. Haven't found them in 1891 yet.

Edit  - you mentioned here 🙂
Title: Re: Looking for the Rose Brothers
Post by: Riddlebrick on Saturday 20 July 19 22:23 BST (UK)
Thanks both, I'd been looking for so long I just wasn't seeing anything remotely correct
Title: Re: Looking for the Rose Brothers
Post by: avm228 on Saturday 20 July 19 22:24 BST (UK)
Both sons were baptised together at St Mary, Islington on 15 December 1889.

Birthdates as stated in the parish register:

James Joseph b 6 January 1884
Thomas Henry b 27 November 1889

Parents: James Rose (a sawyer) and Annie, of 2 Morton Rd.
Title: Re: Looking for the Rose Brothers
Post by: Ladyhawk on Saturday 20 July 19 22:32 BST (UK)
Is this James in 1901?

38, Northampton Street, Islington, London & Middlesex
James   Rose   Boarder   Single 1884   Paper Stainer's Labourer   Islington, Middlesex,
RG13 Piece number   192 Folio   81 Page   35
Title: Re: Looking for the Rose Brothers
Post by: Riddlebrick on Saturday 20 July 19 22:56 BST (UK)
Quote from: Ladyhawk on Saturday 20 July 19 22:32 BST (UK)
Is this James in 1901?

38, Northampton Street, Islington, London & Middlesex
James   Rose   Boarder   Single 1884   Paper Stainer's Labourer   Islington, Middlesex,
RG13 Piece number   192 Folio   81 Page   35

Yes I think that could be him
Title: Re: Looking for the Rose Brothers
Post by: Ladyhawk on Saturday 20 July 19 23:03 BST (UK)
Could this be a possibility for death of  James .?

James Rose age 51
1891  Jul-Aug-Sep Greenwich Volume:   1. Page:   541
Title: Re: Looking for the Rose Brothers
Post by: Ladyhawk on Saturday 20 July 19 23:18 BST (UK)
Thomas Henry Rose
Birth year   1890.    Birth parish   St Mary Islington
Service number   220
Regiment   -
Attestation date   01 Apr 1908
Attestation age years   18
Attestation age months   5
Attestation service number   220
Document type   Attestation
Title: Re: Looking for the Rose Brothers
Post by: amondg on Sunday 21 July 19 06:56 BST (UK)
Thomas Henry Rose married Charlotte Beatrice Williams, there is a birth of a Thomas Henry Rose
1913, Jan/Feb/Mar, book 8b page 209 registered Liverpool Lancashire with mothers maiden name Williams.

He is with his mother in 1939.

ADDED the son died 1994 October quarter registered Bury Greater Manchester.
Title: Re: Looking for the Rose Brothers
Post by: amondg on Sunday 21 July 19 07:01 BST (UK)
Looks as though the father Thomas Henry Rose died 1959 Manchester age 69.
registered JulyAug/Sept vol. 10e page 227