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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: meggles on Wednesday 17 July 19 08:38 BST (UK)
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Hi, I have a Alexander Johnston that come over to South Australia in 1855 he was 37 years old.
He travelled with William and Alexander Savage (aged 16 and 15) and also Elizabeth and Jane Savage (aged 12 and 10).
From a family bible I suspect that Alexander Johnston was the Uncle of these 4 Savage children.
I suspect that the parents of the 4 children were William ROBERT Savage and Margaret Johnston therefore Alexander possibly the brother of Margaret Johnston. (the parents names are in the family bible)
When William Savage died near Woodside South Australia the witness on the death was a G.Johnston (C) and I have been told C was for cousin. I have lots of Savage information but I can't find anything on the Johnston family, any help would be great, thank you.
cheers
Megan
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I wonder if the connection goes further back in SA?
There are several births in Adelaide SA in 1840s to John JOHNSTON and Jane SAVAGE. Alexander 1840, John 1843, James 1846, John 1851, Mary Ann 1855.
Jane Savage JOHNSTON died in 1874, nok John JOHNSTON (husband), reg 59/158, Nairne district SA.
Do you know when Alexander JOHNSTON died and if he married?
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I think it is a possibility that another member of the Johnston family come out before Alexander in 1855. it is interesting to see that another Johnston has married a savage and all the names are the family names, do I will definitely look into that family and see if I can see a connection.
I don't know anything about Alexander Johnston except what is in the family bible, which basically just mentions his name and then he turns up on the shipping records with the savage children.
cheers
Megan
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Do you have any clues about AJ's religion? Also do you know the parents and any siblings of Margaret Savage nee Johnston (potentially his sister)?
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A potential candidate is this AJ
"DIED.
June 27, at his residence, West-terrace, Alexander John-
ston, aged 44 years.
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http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article821043
The ages are close enough to bear looking twice at. He's in the GenealogySA Death index as Alexander Johnstone with an e but buried in the same grave at West Terrace Cemetery as a William Johnston died 19 Dec 1879 aged 66 years.
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Some information about William JOHNSTON here, though it doesn't mention family
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article197734115
(one of a few obits)
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Family mentioned here:
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article197734212
Brothers: James, John and A.G
Alexander JOHNSTON is a nephew
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Obit for James JOHNSTON (1891) mentions brother Alexander (and William who died in 1879)
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article224732681
Modified to add:
Actually this obit says his brother was Andrew Galbraith. (Says James arrived 1839 with his father)
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article24790697
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If this is the correct family :-\ more info here in this obit:
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article148119614
James was born in Argyleshire in 1818 and came to Australia on the Buckinghamshire arriving 21 March 1839. He was very successful - "In all probability he was the wealthiest man in the South" and introduced quail and perch into the environment (probably a questionable act!).
However, in none of these obits for the JOHNSTON familes is there any mention of the SAVAGES. :-\
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A potential candidate is this AJ
"DIED.
June 27, at his residence, West-terrace, Alexander John-
ston, aged 44 years.
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http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article821043
The ages are close enough to bear looking twice at. He's in the GenealogySA Death index as Alexander Johnstone with an e but buried in the same grave at West Terrace Cemetery as a William Johnston died 19 Dec 1879 aged 66 years.
From Biographical Index of South Australians 1836-1885 Data needs validating as this index was compiled in 1986 and there are errors and omissions.
JOHNSTON Alexander (unmarried)
Parents Wm and Janet nee LOVE
Born 1815 Scotland Died 28 Jun 1860
Buried West Terrace Cemetery
Arrived 1838 BUCKINGHAMSHIRE
The BUCKINGHAMSHIRE actually arrived in 1839
http://www.slsa.ha.sa.gov.au/BSA/1839Buckinghamshire.htm
and the JOHNSTON's on board were
JOHNSTON, William and wife Janet nee LOVE,
JOHNSTON, William (son of William)
JOHNSTON, Alexander (son of William)
JOHNSTON, James (son of William)
JOHNSTON, John (son of William)
JOHNSTON, Margaret (daughter of William)
JOHNSTON, Robert (son of William)
JOHNSTON, Andrew Galbraith (son of William)
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Hi, I have a Alexander Johnston that come over to South Australia in 1855 he was 37 years old.
He travelled with William and Alexander Savage (aged 16 and 15) and also Elizabeth and Jane Savage (aged 12 and 10).
From a family bible I suspect that Alexander Johnston was the Uncle of these 4 Savage children.
I suspect that the parents of the 4 children were William ROBERT Savage and Margaret Johnston therefore Alexander possibly the brother of Margaret Johnston. (the parents names are in the family bible)
When William Savage died near Woodside South Australia the witness on the death was a G.Johnston (C) and I have been told C was for cousin. I have lots of Savage information but I can't find anything on the Johnston family, any help would be great, thank you.
cheers
Megan
Back to your request.....
I cannot see an Alexander JOHNSTON on the AGINCOURT in 1855 with the four SAVAGE children - Alexander, 15, William 16, Eliza 12 and Jane 10 years from Westmeath, Ireland. There is an Alister JOHNSTON 37 from Westmeath Ireland on the passenger list. This has been transcribed from the manifest however looking at a copy of the original it would appear the transcriber has made an error.
http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/australia/agincourt1855.shtml
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Nothing more from BISA
JOHNSTON Alexander bornc1818 Westmeath Ireland
Arrived 1855 AGINCOURT Occupation Labourer
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Thanks everyone, I don't feel that the Alexander Johnstone buried at west terrace is who I am looking for.
I don't have any proof of connection between the Savage and Johnstone family except what is written in a family bible.
William Robert Savage who married Margaret Johnston is mentioned in the bible
then there is a Alexander Johnston mentioned as well as some of the savage children's name's and birth dates (eg: Jane Savage born 1845)
I don't' have any marriage/birth or deaths, so it is a bit hard to make a connection.
I thought if I could find the Alexander Johnston I could follow him and make a connection that way, or even the G. Johnstone cousin that was a witness at the death of William Savage - but all the Johnston's (including name variants) have not matched.
cheers
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While there's no strong reason to think the West Terrace AJ is the one sought, I should point out that having arrived in 1938 isn't a strong reason to believe he isn't. I have two separate SA ancestors who made return visits to England for family reasons - one took his wife and young children with him while, and presumably because, his father was dying.
Unfortunately there's not enough information to confirm or deny. A tribute to some AJ, any AJ, mentioning a young Savage, would have been nice!
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Looking at the BISA entry for AJ I think it's quite likely they've conflated two different AJs and that the one who arrived in 1838 Buckinghamshire is not the one buried 1860 at West Terrace Cemetery (WTC). My reasoning is that the mother's maiden name was LOVE, and GenealogySA Death Index shows an Alexander Love Johnston died 1869. Of course the BISA has the father's first name as William, and the Death Index for ALoveJ has the father as Alexander.
BISA can be frustrating. Correct far too often to ignore, incorrect often enough to treat with even more scepticism than sources closer to first hand.
Basically I think would need more info either from the England end or the South Australia end.
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Looking at the BISA entry for AJ I think it's quite likely they've conflated two different AJs and that the one who arrived in 1838 Buckinghamshire is not the one buried 1860 at West Terrace Cemetery (WTC). My reasoning is that the mother's maiden name was LOVE, and GenealogySA Death Index shows an Alexander Love Johnston died 1869. Of course the BISA has the father's first name as William, and the Death Index for ALoveJ has the father as Alexander.
BISA can be frustrating. Correct far too often to ignore, incorrect often enough to treat with even more scepticism than sources closer to first hand.
Basically I think would need more info either from the England end or the South Australia end.
Alexander Love JOHNSTON who died in 1869 was one month old.
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Looking at the BISA entry for AJ I think it's quite likely they've conflated two different AJs and that the one who arrived in 1838 Buckinghamshire is not the one buried 1860 at West Terrace Cemetery (WTC). My reasoning is that the mother's maiden name was LOVE, and GenealogySA Death Index shows an Alexander Love Johnston died 1869. Of course the BISA has the father's first name as William, and the Death Index for ALoveJ has the father as Alexander.
BISA can be frustrating. Correct far too often to ignore, incorrect often enough to treat with even more scepticism than sources closer to first hand.
Basically I think would need more info either from the England end or the South Australia end.
Alexander Love JOHNSTON who died in 1869 was one month old.
That clears that up Cando. Thanks. Frustratingly I was at the State Library today for something else and actually looked at the Digger record for Alexander Johnston (nothing new) but not Alexander Love Johnston.
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Looking at the BISA entry for AJ I think it's quite likely they've conflated two different AJs and that the one who arrived in 1838 Buckinghamshire is not the one buried 1860 at West Terrace Cemetery (WTC). My reasoning is that the mother's maiden name was LOVE, and GenealogySA Death Index shows an Alexander Love Johnston died 1869. Of course the BISA has the father's first name as William, and the Death Index for ALoveJ has the father as Alexander.
BISA can be frustrating. Correct far too often to ignore, incorrect often enough to treat with even more scepticism than sources closer to first hand.
Basically I think would need more info either from the England end or the South Australia end.
Alexander JOHNSTON and his brother Wm and Wm's infant daughter, Agnes McKenzie JOHNSTON are interred at the same location at WTC. A number of public online trees show the brothers to be the chn of Wm JOHNSTON and Janet LOVE who arrived on the BUCKINGHAMSHIRE in 1839.