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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Warwickshire => Topic started by: FletcherFamilyAston on Saturday 13 July 19 13:08 BST (UK)
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My father (Frank Graham Fletcher) was a descendent of the prolific Fletcher lot in Warwickshire. His father (Albert Archibald Fletcher) took Dad (FGF), as a child in the 1930's, to visit Lapworth and told him 'this is where our family comes from'.
We have traced the Fletchers in Lapworth from 1394 to the 1790s when they suddenly disappear and re-emerge in Aston, Birmingham about 1830, just at the time when the canals and railways were making their appearance in that area. But, frustratingly, we don't have the family members for the change over period (about two generations?)
We would like to close the gap and ask; Does anybody have any relevant Fletcher contacts or insights into this matter? All thoughts gratefully received.
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Hallo, again.
No answers yet, just two questions:
What is the earliest birth after 1837 (name, date, location if known, and parents' names) you have in your modern line?
Have you found the family on early censuses (1841 & 1851) - the first names of the parents, with the names, ages, and birthplaces of the children would be useful .
After 1837 we can find the mother's maiden name from the birth registration then check back for a marriage on parish registers.
Philip
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Wow! That was quick. Thank you Phillip.
Earliest concrete Aston family member is a reference to Charles Paul Fletcher married down the road at St Martins Church in 1847 but somewhere there is a reference to his birth in Aston circa 1822. He is on the 1881 census aged 59 living at 19 High Park Street Aston.
Thank you for taking this up for me Phillip.
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Hi did Charles/Eleanor have a son Cornelius Percival Fletcher b 1853/4 mmn Shuttleworth, as 1861 suggests Charles was a Commercial Traveller b Broseley, Shropshire?
Census ref RG09/2136/19/32
Charles Paul Fletcher was baptised 20th October 1822 Broseley Shropshire Father Joseph Mother Mary
Keyboard86
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Thank you Keyboard86.
Gosh that was quick!
Yes Charles Paul Fletcher and Elleanor Shuttleworth did have a son called Cornelius Percival Fletcher and they also had a son called James Forrester Francis Fletcher who was born in Aston 1850 and was a brass dresser. It is James FFF from whom I am descended. I did not know that about Charles PFs occupation or his birthplace. On his marriage certificate 1847 he was a grocer at the time. I think we have the same person here Keyboard86 that's great news. Thank You
As a family we think that Charles PF was a child of ?Joseph Fletcher and it is at this point back to Lapworth 1790s that we loose the plot so if you are picking up anything on that or before Charles PF it would be absolutely amazing. Thank you once again.
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Hi again, I have shown the baptism of Charles Paul Fletcher above!
Keyboard86
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Yes, you did and Thank You so much. It really starts to close the gap in time so Thank You once again for this amazing help. I will continue to drill down on this one unless you have access to anything more about Joseph and Mary Fletcher and prior to them.
Kind regards
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Hi again, Charles Paul had two siblings baptised Broseley 22nd October 1820, Ann Jenks Fletcher and William all baptisms show that Joseph was a Druggist.
Keyboard86
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Hi Ann Jenks Fletcher married a Joseph Bridgewater occ Clerk 27th August 1839 West Bromwich Christ Church
Fathers Joseph Bridgewater occ Grocer Joseph Fletcher occ Chemist
Witnesses Pauline? and Harriot Fletcher
Keyboard86
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A big Thank You again Keyboard86.
Since we last touched based I have been trawling through the magnificent Broseley History Society (Broseley.org.uk/registers) info to pick up the Fletchers in Broseley. I still have not managed to progress Joseph and Mary (parents of Charles, Ann and William) any further back in time but am going to pick this up again in the morning. I have added Ann and William to the family tree.
This is the first time I have undertaken any family research and so your help is proving invaluable. Thank You
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Hi again, just wondering if the Joseph Fletcher and Mary Jenks marriage was 17th March 1816 Madeley ?
Witnesses Mary Fletcher and Thomas Jenks
Keyboard86
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Hi Ann Jenks Fletcher married a Joseph Bridgewater occ Clerk 27th August 1839 West Bromwich Christ Church
Fathers Joseph Bridgewater occ Grocer Joseph Fletcher occ Chemist
Witnesses Pauline? and Harriot Fletcher
Keyboard86
Witnesses were Joseph Fletcher and Harriot Fletcher.
Annette
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Found out a bit more - I suspected the 'Joseph' witness at Ann Jenks Fletcher's marriage 1839 was her father, and the Harriot her sister. The latter is definitely so.
Harriott Fletcher 22, daughter of Joseph Fletcher, Chemist and Grocer married George Brettell 11/4/1849 St. Martin, Birmingham. The 2 witnesses were Charles Paul Fletcher and Ellenor Fletcher.
1851 census shows Harriet was born Hogstow, Shropshire circa 1827.
The only Harriet Fletcher I could find born to a Joseph and Mary was 24/9/1826 Westbury, Shropshire but his occupation was Clerk and Book-keeper. I now believe this is indeed her as I then found:
Mary Jenks Fletcher, bp.23/3/1829 Worthin, Shropshire daughter of Joseph and Mary, his occupation now Accountant - more importantly abode is given as Hogstow.
So, Joseph Fletcher's occupations are shown as Druggist 1820 and 1822, Clerk and Book-keeper 1826, Accountant 1829, Chemist 1839, Druggist 1847 and Chemist and Grocer 1849.
However, I simply cannot find the family in 1841 or indeed Joseph in 1851 - none of the 3 marriages of his children indicate that he was deceased.
Annette
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Annette7,
Thank You so much for joining in my family research. I am extremely grateful to you. The matter of Joseph and Mary Fletcher is a tantalising one. It seems that by 1850 various members of the family were in Aston, Birmingham or very close by (St Matins Church). As its the younger generation of the time it's probably for economic reasons? At the 1800 to 1822 junction my research hits the skids so I decided to investigate the matter based on other info as well. I took Dads trip and Grandpa Fletchers assertion that the family had come from Lapworth and checked out the Fletchers who are there from 1394 to 1790ish and following the new information given to me by the very kind Keyboard86 I checked out the Fletcher family in the very thorough Broseley Parish records and found a well documented branch of the Fletchers from 1690. But again the trail goes cold as the 18th century closes.
Overall it feels like the information is coming together and maybe it's going to be something like my branch of the Fletchers starts in Lapworth (at this stage I don't disbelieve the oral information) and that a branch/member relocates to Broseley or near by. Then by 1850 it is firmly in Aston/Birmingham central and the subsequent generations we have full knowledge and dates for.
So................. it's back to the gap at the beginning of the 19th century and some other work on social and economic events in 1690ish to see what might have caused a move from Lapworth to Broseley?
Thank You again Annette7 and also to Keyboard86 for giving this one a big push forward for me, any other thoughts you might have would be gratefully received.
Best wishes
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Hi again, Ann Jenks Bridg(e)water remarried Sept qtr 1844 Dudley to Samuel Woodall with the newly married couple on 1851 census is an Ann Josephine Bridgwater aged 10.
Birth June qtr 1841 Dudley mmn Fletcher.
1851 in Mill Street, Dudley census ref HO107/2032/286/15
Ann Jenks Woodall died March qtr 1854 Dudley aged 33.
Interesting Bridgwater/Fletcher family in 1841 Dudley
Census ref HO107/1196/ 13/15 / 23
Keyboard86
EDIT their was a William Fletcher aged 78 occ Blacksmith who was born Lapworth living in Tanworth, Solihull 1851 Censue ref HO107/2071/375/2
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I now believe the Joseph Fletcher, witness at Ann Jenkins Fletcher's marriage, was her brother and not her father.
1841 Census - Dudley, Worcs. (reference given by Keyboard86)
Ann Bridgwater 20 Ind. Not born in county
Ann Bridgwater 1 mos. Born in county
Charles Fletcher 20 Cl. Not born in county
Joseph Fletcher 20 Pattern Maker Not born in county
Mary Fletcher 5mos.
Nancy Fletcher 20 Born in county
Frederic Fletcher Not born in county
+ a servant
So, children of Joseph Fletcher and Mary Jenks were:
Joseph Fletcher bc.1816/7 (cannot find baptism but in 1851 states born Little Wenlock)
William Fletcher b.early 1818 (aged 2 yrs 8 mos at baptism 20/10/1820 Broseley)
Ann Jenks Fletcher b.1820, bp.20/10/1820 Broseley
Charles Paul Fletcher bp.20/10/1822 Broseley
Harriot Fletcher bp.24/9/1826 Westbury
Mary Jenks Fletcher bp.23/3/1829 Worthin
Frederic Fletcher bc.1831/2 presumably in Shropshire too
Joseph Fletcher Pattern Maker, son of Joseph Fletcher, Chemist, married Nancy Bridgewater, dau. of Joseph Bridgewater, Grocer 17/12/1839 West Bromwich - Witnesses William Fletcher and Harriot Fletcher (his brother and sister) i.e. Nancy Bridgewater was the sister of Ann Jenks Fletcher's husband Joseph Bridgewater. The Mary Fletcher 5mos on 1841 census Dudley was the daughter of Joseph and Nancy and the Charles 20 - shown as Clerk - is your Charles Paul Fletcher, and the Frederic 9 another sibling.
So, where were William Fletcher bc.1818, Harriot Fletcher b.1826 and sister Mary Jenks Fletcher born 1829 in 1841 census? Two siblings married in West Bromwich, Staffs. but were in Dudley, Worcs. in 1841, 2 siblings (CP and H) married in Birmingham but by 1851 Harriet and husband have moved to Stoke upon Trent, Staffs. and Knutton, Staffordshire in 1861.
The only sibling that seems to have remained in Birmingham was your Charles so don't think the family were ever there 'en masse' and that Charles moved there sometime in 1840's together with sister Harriet.
Annette
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Hello to you keyboard86 and Annette7,
Once again a huge Thank You. Lots of extra information and family members to look further into and (keyboard86) a wild card from Lapworth in the form of William Fletcher and another with the Dudley branch! Annette7, there is plenty there for me to digest and I need to absorb the content before moving on so Thank You. I am going to have to turn my attention away from this matter for the next few days (work sadly!) but am then going back to the Broseley archives for a further look at the records from 1750 to 1822 to see if I can link up Charles Fletcher plus Joseph and Mary Fletcher with the earlier Fletcher family in Broseley at all and will feed back to you both on this matter.
Once again, a massive Thank You for the numerous leads and thoughts. It would be really great if the combined work did reveal a true tree. There is plenty here to keep me busy! Thank You and kind regards to you both.
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Hi again, we have 1861 for Charkes Paul Fletcher and wife Eleanor in 1861 Sutton Street, Birmingham RG09/2136/19/32:-
Charles 1823 occ Commercial Traveller b Broseley
Eleanor 1822 b Birmingham
Charles Saml Wm 1849 b Birmingham
Where are they 1851?
Another one off my pad!
PS also the James Forrest Francis Fletcher b 1850 Aston mmn Shuttleworth who does not appear on the 1861 above?
Ref your reply 4
Also the Charles P Fletcher b 1849 or is he the Charles Saml Wlm ?Birmingham who also does not appear on 1861 but with 1861 family and James F in 1871 RG10/3152/94/13?
EDIT sorted out 1861 bad transcriptions of Charles Paul William and James Forrester Francis but still unable to locatwein 1851?
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Hello Keyboard86...... and once again a huge Thank You for your help.
I have added the details in your post onto my tree and am chasing up the points made about Eleanor and Charles Paul.
Now that I can turn my attention to this one again I have just spent some time getting things into order. Because I was getting muddled I put each persons detail onto a printer label on the back of a playing card and together with some wildcard searching have managed to push the family in Madeley, Broseley and Little Wenlock back to 1694. Any time I find something I write the member on a card and keep it. This way I am starting to pick up cousins, siblings and second wives etc.
I have now got
A. Joseph F b 30/9/1792 (Madeley. Shrops) to Thomas F and his 2nd wife Sarah Morrell dau/niece of the verger/cleric. Thomas F and Sarah M were married in Much Wenlock 2/3/1788. The first wife of Thomas F was Sarah Bartlam and they were married in Leighton 11/7/1785. I presume she died and have to check this yet.
B. Thomas F was b 24/12/1752 Little Wenlock to James F and his wife Elizabeth Evans who were married in Madeley 21/6/1747.
C. James F was bap 1/1/1724 Little Wenlock to James F and Elizabeth ?Beddoe. Broseley 22/9/1694.
James F (C) seems to be the second James to James (D) and Elizabeth Beddoe. 12/4/1718 an earlier son James was born, Little Wenlock and died. James F (C) also had a brother, Joseph, b 28/10/1722 Little Wenlock. James F (C) also had cousins Daniel, James, Ann and others who appear in my 'cards' in Little Wenlock and whom I am currently investigating.
D. James F married Elizabeth Beddoe. Broseley 22/9/1694
I am now going to continue researching the Lapworth/Tanworth/Dudley angles because I suspect they were all known to each other.
This is as far as I have got Keyboard86 and Thank You for your help.
Kind Regards to you and Annette7
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Hi again, hope you get the family back to Lapworth!
Ellenore Fletcher died Dec qtr 1863 Aston aged 42
Keyboard86
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Thank You Keyboard86.
You have been a real mentor!
My challenge now is to be thorough in my recording of this matter, to share with others who may wish to know and to trace my family as far back as I can and investigate the Lapworth Link. The New Zealand branch of my family came and did an absolute pile of work on the family up to Charles Paul and your help has added to that, Thank You.
Kind regards to you.