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Research in Other Countries => New Zealand => New Zealand Completed Requests => Topic started by: rutht22000 on Saturday 06 July 19 19:08 BST (UK)
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Following on from this
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=587635.msg4387166#msg4387166
and this
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=619624.msg4681761#msg4681761
I seem to have made some progress on Henry Hughes Bamber and his various wives/partners and offspring
From his second 'marriage' to Ellen Pearce (who seems to be Ellen Anderson or Henderson at birth); it seems the family scattered all over the place.
Henry and Ellen had several children - two who of whom ended up in New Zealand - Emma Annie who I knew about before and James Hughes who I found on the GRO site (he is totally AWOL on census' with his parents and siblings). He was born in 1874.
Emma Annie married William Richard George Morgan on 17 November 1896 in Tunbridge Wells, Kent and they both then appear in NZ where they both die (WRG in 1936 Auckland) and Emma in 1946 again Auckland.
I cannot find William and Emma between 1896 until his death in 1936 so have no idea if they have kids, or when they went to NZ so that is my first question... ;D
James Hughes married Rose Elizabeth Wareham in Brentford, Middlesex in 1894. They seem to have split up after they had 4 children - Stanley James (1895), Frederick George (1896), Ivy (1898) and William George (1910)
Rose and the children are separated in 1901 but back together in 1911, but JH is missing until he was found in various workhouses in London from 1913 onwards and then a Salvation Army Hostel in Blackpool in 1929 when he emigrates on his own to NZ.
James marries Anna Louisa Tyler Dean at some point (can't find marriage) and dies in 1949 also in Auckland.
So far as as James is concerned, if anyone can help find the marriage to Anna as I am not sure if Rose is still alive at the time he remarried in NZ.
Thank you :)
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Marriage
1937/10231 Anna Louisa Tyler Dean James Hughes Bamber
Annie
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Hello ruth22000
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSMN-59FG-L?i=700&cc=1865481
At above link you'll find the Will of Emma Annie MORGAN (died 1941 ... 1946) in which her brother (an intended beneficiary), is named as "James Henry BAMBER" ???
~ Lu
Edit to correct error > should have read 1946 :
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... Re: Will of Emma Annie MORGAN :
This details intended beneficiaries. It appears that Emma had no children.
~ Lu
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1928 Electoral Roll
Emma and William George Richard Morgan
1 Tawa rd Onehunga Manakau
William a Tramway Employee
Can't see them on any other Rolls yet.
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New Zealand Army WWI Reserve Rolls, 1916-1917
William George Richard Morgan
Stationary Engine driver
Residence Waitete Rd, Te Kuiti
Year 1917
Reserve Roll - 2nd Division
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New Zealand, Notices of Deceased Estates, 1880-1950
Testate - so he had made a will.
William George Richard Morgan
Date of death 29 June 1936
Occupation cleaner.
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https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-89HG-6F5N?i=281&cc=1865481
Probate record (Will attached) for Rose Elizabeth BAMBER - died at Hamilton, NZ, 6 April 1937:
Named as executor and beneficiary, her son James Stanley BAMBER.
~ Lu
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Death Notice for Rose BAMBER :
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZH19370407.2.2.3
Died at Hamilton 6 April 1967 (late of Te Awamutu) ... aged 63 years ... mother of Ivy and James :
~ Lu
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Found earlier ... Probate record for William George Richard MORGAN :
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C9T6-D4R2?i=625&cc=1865481
~ Lu
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Name : Rose Elizabeth BAMBER
Age: 63
Gender: Female
Died: 06/04/1937
Buried: 07/04/1937
Type: Burial
Funeral Director: Burrow & Alder
Last Address: Unspecified
Location: Hamilton East Cemetery
BB-P-079
https://www.hamilton.govt.nz/our-services/do-it-online/cemetery-search/Pages/default.aspx
Cheers Janette
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Record: Application for Letters of Administration in the Estate of James Stanley BAMBER -
1973
https://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=13073845&digital=yes
~ Lu
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James Hughes married Rose Elizabeth Wareham in Brentford, Middlesex in 1894. They seem to have split up after they had 4 children - Stanley James (1895), Frederick George (1896), Ivy (1898) and William George (1910)
... there is a baptism - Surrey - Hale, St John the Evangelist - 1st May 1910
William Harry BAMBER - s/o James Hughes and Rose BAMBER (Father's occ. Plasterer) - address: Upper Hale
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James marries Anna Louisa Tyler Dean at some point (can't find marriage) and dies in 1949 also in Auckland.
So far as as James is concerned, if anyone can help find the marriage to Anna as I am not sure if Rose is still alive at the time he remarried in NZ.
Marriage
1937/10231 Anna Louisa Tyler Dean James Hughes Bamber
Annie
As mentioned elsewhere in this thread, Rose Elizabeth BAMBER died at Hamilton, NZ, on 6 April 1937,
James Hughes BAMBER married Anna Louisa Tyler DEAN (place unknown) on 20 December 1937 (date deduced from marriage entry at NZ Marriage Index (online) ) :
~ Lu
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Thank you all - that certainly gives me something to work on particuarly with Rose (Wareham) ending up in NZ as well
;D ;D
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Record for James Bamber
Date of birth
Unknown
Occupation
Pensioner
Date of death
4 February 1949
Age at death
77 years
Gender
Male
Region
West
Cemetery name
Waikumete Cemetery
Plot location
Waikumete Cemetery, Service Persons Area K, Row 2, Plot 7
Remains type
Body
Date of burial
7 February 1949
Funeral director
Davis Funeral Services Ltd
Added: 1949/18509 Bamber James Hughes 77Y
Record for Anna Louisa Tyler Bamber
Date of birth
Unknown
Date of death
8 January 1947
Age at death
65 years
Gender
Female
Region
West
Cemetery name
Waikumete Cemetery
Plot location
Waikumete Cemetery, Presbyterian Division E, Row 22, Plot 5
Remains type
Body
Date of burial
10 January 1947
Funeral director
Unknown
Minniehaha
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Named as executor and beneficiary, her son James Stanley BAMBER.
~ Lu
Record for James Stanley Bamber
Date of birth Unknown
Occupation Caretaker
Date of death 27 September 1972
Age at death 77 years
Gender Male
Cemetery name Waikumete Cemetery
Plot location Waikumete Cemetery, Eucalyptus Glade, Row Sc - Ash, Plot 0
Remains type Ash
Date of cremation 27 September 1972
Date of burial 27 September 1972
Funeral director Tilton Opie And Pattinson Limited
Cheers Janette
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Further to reply #11.....
Deaths of the named children** of James Stanley Bamber:
2009/6973 Wheeler Bernice Ruth 18 September 1925
2002/24985 Bamber Stanley Joseph 12 November 1922
Death of his widow:
1985/54001 Bamber Mary 20 April 1896
**I have the death notices for Bernice & her husband. If you wish, I can send by PM....
Minniehaha.
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Further to reply #12.....
UK births found:
BAMBER, FREDERICK GEORGE WAREHAM*
GRO Reference: 1896 M Quarter in BRENTFORD Volume 03A Page 48
BAMBER, STANLEY JAMES WAREHAM*
GRO Reference: 1895 M Quarter in BRENTFORD Volume 03A Page 52
BAMBER, WILLIAM HARRY WAREHAM*
GRO Reference: 1909 S Quarter in FARNHAM Volume 02A Page 161
[This was the only birth found for an Ivy Bamber registered 1898.
BAMBER, IVY WISEMAN*
GRO Reference: 1898 M Quarter in BRENTFORD Volume 03A Page 66 Occasional Copy: B]
*Mother's maiden name.
Minniehaha.
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New Zealand Herald 24 Feb 1928 p1
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZH19280224.2.3.2?
Missing Friends - Emma William MORGAN, late of of Gloucestershire, sister of Drummer James BAMBER, late of the Middlesex Regiment, once stationed at Hounslow Barracks, England. Brother's daughter Ivy seeks her Auntie.—Reply to Mrs. Ivy (Bamber) Green, c.o. Post Office, Cambridge, New Zealand.
FreeBDM Thetford Vol 4b Pg815 SepQ 1918
BAMBER Ivy m. GREEN William
GRO birth
GREEN, Mary Ellen mms. BAMBER
1914 JunQ Preston Vol 08E Pg 931
GREEN, John mms. BAMBER
1917 MarQ Preston Vol 08E Pg 661
FreeBDM birth
GREEN Eileen M M mms. BAMBER
1920 DecQ Chorlton Vol 8c Pg 1308
Familysearch "Waimana" arr. 22 Apr 1922
GREEN William 24y woolen spinner
GREEN Ivy 24y
GREEN Eileen 1y
all (contracted to land at) Wellington
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Familysearch "Waimana" arr. 22 Apr 1922
GREEN William 24y woolen spinner
GREEN Ivy 24y
GREEN Eileen 1y
all (contracted to land at) Wellington
The address they left was 12 Grange Avenue,Marsden,Huddersfield
Cheers Janette
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Further to reply #11.....
Deaths of the named children** of James Stanley Bamber:
2009/6973 Wheeler Bernice Ruth 18 September 1925
2002/24985 Bamber Stanley Joseph 12 November 1922
Death of his widow:
1985/54001 Bamber Mary 20 April 1896
**I have the death notices for Bernice & her husband. If you wish, I can send by PM....
Minniehaha.
Hello - thank you for that information - yes if you could send them over that would be great!
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Death notices sent.
2003/24706 Wheeler Wilbur Thornton 19 July 1922
[His date of death was 1.11.2003]
Minniehaha.
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A snippet about Rose Bamber & her son-in-law, William Green.....
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZH19290803.2.136?query=rose%20bamber&start_date=01-01-1929&end_date=31-12-1929&snippet=true
Added: More about this family....
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/WAIKIN19280313.2.18?query=ivy%20green&phrase=2&page=4&start_date=01-01-1924&end_date=31-12-1950&snippet=true&type=ARTICLE
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/WAIKIN19280313.2.18?query=ivy%20green&phrase=2&page=4&start_date=01-01-1924&end_date=31-12-1950&snippet=true&type=ARTICLE
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/AS19290220.2.102?query=william%20cumberland%20green&phrase=2&snippet=true
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZH19320609.2.134?query=william%20cumberland%20green&phrase=2&snippet=true
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/WAIKIN19290221.2.13?query=william%20cumberland%20green&phrase=2&snippet=true
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/WAIKIN19270906.2.2.3?query=william%20cumberland%20green&phrase=2&page=2&snippet=true
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/WT19280615.2.71?query=william%20cumberland%20green&phrase=2&page=2&snippet=true
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/AS19340514.2.102?query=william%20cumberland%20green&phrase=2&page=2&snippet=true
[Apologies for any duplicates.]
It appears that William's full name was William Cumberland Green and that of his wife, Ivy Elinor Rose Green.
By 1929 there were three children of this union.
Minniehaha.
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Bankruptcy file for William Cumberland Green, of Cambridge, Bootmaker.....
https://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=23552116
Added: A sample of many advertisements placed by W. C. GREEN during 1927.....
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/WAIKIN19270804.2.3.1?query=w.%20c.%20green&phrase=2&page=2&start_date=01-01-1924&end_date=31-12-1950&snippet=true&title=KWE,NZ,NZH,PWT,ROTWKG,TO,ACNZC,AKTIM,NZHAG,FRTIM,ALG,AS,DSC,KCC,OG,PAKIOM,TAN,THA,THS,WAIGUS,WAIKIN,WHDT,WT,MATREC,TGMR,WAIPO
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/WAIKIN19270609.2.4.5?query=w.%20c.%20green&phrase=2&page=3&start_date=01-01-1924&end_date=31-12-1950&snippet=true&title=KWE,NZ,NZH,PWT,ROTWKG,TO,ACNZC,AKTIM,NZHAG,FRTIM,ALG,AS,DSC,KCC,OG,PAKIOM,TAN,THA,THS,WAIGUS,WAIKIN,WHDT,WT,MATREC,TGMR,WAIPO
Minniehaha.
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Death details re the wife of Stanley Joseph Bamber [See reply #17]......
2017/29243 Bamber Margaret Elizabeth 18 July 1931
Cemetery Record for Margaret Elizabeth Bamber
Date of birth
Unknown
Occupation
Retired
Date of death
12 October 2017
Age at death
86 years
Gender
Female
Region
North
Cemetery name
North Shore Memorial Park
Remains type
Ash
Date of cremation
19 October 2017
Funeral director
Faithfull Funeral Services
Cemetery Record for Stanley Joseph Bamber
Date of birth
Unknown
Date of death
22 October 2002
Age at death
79 years
Gender
Male
Region
North
Cemetery name
North Shore Memorial Park
Remains type
Ash
Date of cremation
25 October 2002
Funeral director
Dils Funeral Services Ltd
I have the marriage year for the above couple. Will send this by PM with newspaper death notice for Margaret Elizabeth.
Minniehaha.
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Death notice & marriage details sent.
Minniehaha.
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Death notice for son of Stanley Joseph & Margaret Elizabeth Bamber sent by PM:
Minniehaha.
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Death registration for wife of James Stanley Bamber shown at reply #17.
Purewa cemetery record:
Surname BAMBER
First Names Mary
Age 90 Years
Gender Female
Date of Death 08 Jan 1985
Religion Not Listed
Serial No 49158
Date of Service and/or Interment 9 Jan 1985
Type Of Service
Funeral Director Davis Funeral Services, P O Box 56013, Mt Eden, AUCKLAND
Ashes Disposal Scattered
Book Of Remembrance No
Minniehaha.
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Purewa cemetery record:
Surname BAMBER
First Names Mary
Age 90 Years
Gender Female
Date of Death 08 Jan 1985
Religion Not Listed
Serial No 49158
Date of Service and/or Interment 9 Jan 1985
Type Of Service
Funeral Director Davis Funeral Services, P O Box 56013, Mt Eden, AUCKLAND
Ashes Disposal Scattered
Book Of Remembrance No
Minniehaha.
Last residence Howick Baptist Hospital, Howick, Auckland
Cheers Janette
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Hello rutht22000,
Is there any more information you require?
Cheers Janette
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Hi
Thank you all.
Janette - I think its just passenger lists for Emma and James' wife and their respective families that I haven't been able to find so far (James I have got). Everything else though has been amazing and added bonuses ;D
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FindMyPast has Mr Wm and Mrs Emma Morgan on the Ruahine leaving "Soton" (was that an abbreviation for Southampton?) on the 31st August 1922 their address was given as Mill Hill Cottages Bream,both aged 48 and he was an engineer.
Cheers Janette
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Thanks Janette
Definitely worth a look at
and yes, Soton is an abbreviation for Southampton :)