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Title: owen kelly,Wakefield Vicars croft ?
Post by: vintagelass on Tuesday 02 July 19 12:26 BST (UK)
Hi i am looking for information on the closed and them emptied burial ground vicars croft, I am looking for the remains of Owen kelly and his wife ann, both born in Ireland, around 1826, Moved to wakefield,On the  1881 census as woolpacks yard, Owen was a fishmonger, Now i have the register of burial in 1891 for ann and 1900 for owen, Wakefield borough burial ground grave no 1663 sec h.All saints.Roman catholic portion, I was worried that they had been buried in vicars croft which seems to be connected to all saints in wakefield but now think burials ended there in 1888,So i have grave numbers but cant find where,Im told  that if i want to check  they werent in vicars croft i have to go to kew in surrey, not possible and a search is over £100.Any ideas at all would be very much appreciated,
Title: Re: owen kelly,Wakefield Vicars croft ?
Post by: PaulineJ on Tuesday 02 July 19 12:49 BST (UK)
Now i have the register of burial in 1891 for ann and 1900 for owen, Wakefield borough burial ground grave no 1663 sec h.All saints.Roman catholic portion

Where did those burial records come from? Can you relate EXACTLY what the record(s) state?
To me, it sound like the cemetery on Doncaster Road.

https://www.deceasedonline.com/servlet/GSDOSearch?AcctView=Login&SrchView=Basic&DetsView=Content&ListSource=Contributors&section=CONTRIBUTORS&context=WAKEFIELD&lang=E

https://www.findagrave.com/cemetery/1992072/wakefield-cemetery/map 

http://www.yorkshireindexers.info/gallery/browseimages.php?do=browseimages&c=85&page=2  *
* register to view layout plan
Title: Re: owen kelly,Wakefield Vicars croft ?
Post by: vintagelass on Tuesday 02 July 19 12:55 BST (UK)
Hi yes they are from wakefield council burial records, They are rgister of burials Wakefield borough burial grounds, and state the age abode and parish or district where it states all saints, and shows grave no as 1663, section h. Also states roman catholic section.
Title: Re: owen kelly,Wakefield Vicars croft ?
Post by: PaulineJ on Tuesday 02 July 19 13:02 BST (UK)
Surely then, "All Saints" is simply the district of the town where they died.

It's not unusual to segregate burials according to religion.

Title: Re: owen kelly,Wakefield Vicars croft ?
Post by: vintagelass on Tuesday 02 July 19 13:07 BST (UK)
all the listings on the page include particular churches so i was just looking at the all saints church ,Other than that i dont have any idea but will look at Doncaster Rd
Title: Re: owen kelly,Wakefield Vicars croft ?
Post by: PaulineJ on Tuesday 02 July 19 13:20 BST (UK)
You do realise that we can't "see" that page?.
Are there heading(s) at the top of the columns? What do they say?
Title: Re: owen kelly,Wakefield Vicars croft ?
Post by: vintagelass on Tuesday 02 July 19 13:31 BST (UK)
They say the year (1891), The date (May 15), the name (Ann kelly, Age(62 Years, The abode which is Woolpacks yard, Parish or district (All saints), Section and grave no.signature of minister.(  O Rielly.Across  the top it has register of burials, Wakefield borough burial ground, Roman catholic portion,If i was any good at putting pictures on here i would but unfortunatley im not, Nothing else on there.
Title: Re: owen kelly,Wakefield Vicars croft ?
Post by: PaulineJ on Tuesday 02 July 19 13:38 BST (UK)
So that confirms that they were interred at Wakefield borough burial ground. (Sugar Lane/ Doncaster Road).
All Saints is/was the parish of demise.

Don't expect there to be a headstone, even if you know the plot number and section.
Title: Re: owen kelly,Wakefield Vicars croft ?
Post by: vintagelass on Tuesday 02 July 19 13:43 BST (UK)
 Thanks very much for helping Mags
Title: Re: owen kelly,Wakefield Vicars croft ?
Post by: J.R.Ellam on Wednesday 03 July 19 07:16 BST (UK)
Hi

The Wakefield burial register are on the council website.

John
Title: Re: owen kelly,Wakefield Vicars croft ?
Post by: vintagelass on Thursday 04 July 19 14:36 BST (UK)
Thank you , im getting closer now, Mags.
Title: Re: owen kelly,Wakefield Vicars croft ?
Post by: BenRalph on Saturday 06 July 19 09:44 BST (UK)
They were buried in Wakefield Cemetery. Plot K1663 RC. In the grave are:

IBBOTSON, Jane Ann 45 years
KELLY, John 26 years
KELLY, Ann 62 years
KELLY, Owen 75 years
KELLY, Owen 57 years
Title: Re: owen kelly,Wakefield Vicars croft ?
Post by: vintagelass on Saturday 06 July 19 16:30 BST (UK)
Thanks very much thats a great surprise all those together, Just have to hope i can find a stone, Mags