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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => London and Middlesex => Topic started by: eirwen on Monday 01 July 19 10:06 BST (UK)
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would anyone be so kind and inform me about the following family John & Clara Hooper with children in 1901 census. If possible were there any further children in 1911 census. maybe in Hendon. Thank you. Eirwen
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Hi There
Information from Family Search
Was John born in Plymouth around 1877?
If yes the family were living in Willesden in 1901 and there were two children:-
John H Hooper aged 2 and Alfred J Hooper aged 0
The same family is still living in Willesden in 1911 - although John place of birth is Bristol.
There are no children present in 1911.
Hope this helps
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Hi do you have birth years and where they were born? for John and Clara Hooper
There is this family John Hooper born Reymouth Devon age 25 flower salesman above it says Hawker
Clara Hooper age 24 born Willesden Middlesex
John H Hooper age 2 born Willesden Middlesex
Alfred J Hooper under 1 month born Willesden Middlesex
Alfred Hooper age 18 born Kentish Town (brother )
1901 Census they are living 22 Alpha Place Willesden Middlesex
Does this look like the family
Rosie
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Baptisms for these 2 children
John Henry Hooper 21 December 1898 Paddington St Augustine Westminster
Father John Edward mother Clara Jane address 21 Alpha Place father ( hawker )
Alfred James Hooper baptism 3 April 1901 Paddington St Augustine Westminster
Father John ( flower seller ) mother Clara Hooper
Rosie
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Possible?
Deaths Sep 1904
Hooper Alfred James F 3 Hendon 3a 144
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Possible?
Deaths Sep 1904
Hooper Alfred James F 3 Hendon 3a 144
Yes seen that Gro.gov records give mothers maiden name as Knight for births need to wait and see if it is the right family
Rosie
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Thanking everyone for the prompt replies What I have is Ellen May Hooper born 1905 parents John and Clara Hooper . is this a different family to the family which has been located, Thankyou.
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Thanking everyone for the prompt replies What I have is Ellen May Hooper born 1905 parents John and Clara Hooper . is this a different family to the family which has been located, Thankyou.
www.gro.gov.uk Ellen May Hooper 1905 Hendon mothers maiden name Knight so same family
Rosie
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Baptism Ellen May Hooper 26 April 1905 Westminster Paddington St Augustine
Father John 22 Alpha Place ( carman )mother Clara
Rosie
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So what happened to Ellen. Any chance she might be the Nellie Hooper with grandparents. CHarles and Dora Tyler in 1911 census. If so what would be the connection to John and Clara Knight. Thankyou
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Any chance she might be the Nellie Hooper with grandparents. CHarles and Dora Tyler in 1911 census.
Helen Dora Jessie Hooper, mmn Tyler, registered Sep 1905 in Wandsworth.
She married Albert Day in Ware district in 1933. Died 1942.
Sister Lily May Hooper reg Dec 1906, Wandsworth, mmn Tyler
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A few other Baptisms for John and Clara
Bessie Dorcas Hooper 8 July 1903 St Augustine Paddington Westminster
Father John ( carman ) mother Clara address 22Alpha Place
Clara Beatrice Hooper 5 December 1906 St Augustine
Father John Thomas ( labourer ) mother Clara Jane address 22 Alpha Place
Emily Dorothy Hooper 27 May 1908 St Augustine
Father John Thomas ( florist ) mother Clara Jane address 22 Alpha Place
Rosina Violet Hooper 26/1/1910 Holy Trinity Kilburn Brent
Father John ( flower seller )mother Clara address 22 Alpha Place
Hilda Louisa Hooper 9/4/1911 Holy Trinity Kilburn Brent
Father John Thomas ( flower seller ) mother Clara address 22 Alpha Place
Rosie
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John and Clara in free index to 1911. No children listed
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XW43-1CM
As stated in Reply #1 by billybarnowl
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Emily Dorothy Hooper dies 1909 Hendon still looking for others in 1911 ???
Rosie
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Bessie Dorcas married a Martin & is on 1939 so she should be around in 1911.
ADDED: a tree on ancestry states that in 1911 John & Clara said they'd been married 10 yrs. children 8-5-3. The tree seems to be of a descendant of Rosina.
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See a few marriages for the children but not seeing them in 1911
Possible marriage 1902 Paddington
Clara Jane Knight
John Thomas Hooper
As there is no children with John and Clara 1911 makes you wonder if they were boarded out somewhere .. ???
Rosie
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Hilda Beatrice Hooper
Death Age: 61
Birth Date: 6 Jun 1910
Registration Date: Oct 1971
Registration district: Croydon
Volume: 5a
Page: 2105
again - should be somewhere in 1911....
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Marriage of a Nellie M Hooper to Frank Quinnell in Willesden in 1925
Death of an Ellen May Quinnell in Hendon, March 1947, age 41
Buried 6 January 1947, local authority Harrow (1 other in grave)
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Baptism for Clara Jane Knight 2 May 1877 St Augustine Paddington
Father John Knight
Mother Dorcas Knight
Address 3 Alpha Place
Thought it might help with grandparents names
Rosie
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Buried 6 January 1947, local authority Harrow (1 other in grave)
That 1 other person might be Frank Quinnell, buried 22 December 1962
Death registered in Watford, Dec 1962, age 56
EDIT
Probate for Frank
https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/Calendar?surname=quinnell&yearOfDeath=1963&page=2#calendar
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Free index to 1939 might have her as Elizabeth
With Frank Quinnell, both born in 1905
Living in Willesden, the index now includes address, 17 Dorchester Court
Is Ellen May Quinnell on the electoral register.
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Thought it might help with grandparents names
Good thinking - possibly
Marriages Sep 1866
AGER John Hendon 3a 173
DAVIS Dorcas Hendon 3a 173
Furner Annie M Hendon 3a 173
KNIGHT John Hendon 3a 173
ADDED: John & Dorcas living 14 Alpha Place in 1881, found on 1871, 1881, 1891 but not 1901
Deaths Dec 1908
KNIGHT Dorcas 64 Hendon 3a 155
Might John & Clara's children be in an institution & in census under initials?
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Not having much luck seeing any of them Josey ???
Rosie
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Me too. Strange can't find the maternal grandparents....
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Free index to 1939 might have her as Elizabeth
With Frank Quinnell, both born in 1905
Living in Willesden, the index now includes address, 17 Dorchester Court
Is Ellen May Quinnell on the electoral register.
1929 Electoral record address 22 Alpha Place North Willesden
John Thomas Hooper
Betram Midson
Frank Quinnell
Ellen Quinnell
Betram Midson marries Rosina V Hooper 1928 Willesden
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Possible death for John T Hooper 1933 Willesden Middlesex age 57
Clara J Hooper 1921 Willesden Middlesex age 43
Rosie
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Free index to 1939 might have her as Elizabeth
With Frank Quinnell, both born in 1905
Living in Willesden, the index now includes address, 17 Dorchester Court
Is Ellen May Quinnell on the electoral register.
Wonder why she is calling herself Elizabeth ???
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Buried 6 January 1947, local authority Harrow (1 other in grave)
Gives her home address as 76,Graham Place
Burial Harrow All Saints England
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After cross reference have decided that the Ellen Hooper mother mmn Knight is not my Hooper family So the Nellie Hooper in 1911 census living with grandparents Charles and Dora Tyler might be mine. Their daughter Lucy married Sydney Hooper in 1904 , Sydney died 1907 Are there any electoral records for Charles and Dora Tyler and maybe their daughter Lucy and granddaughter Nellie Hooper Any ideas where I can further my research in regard with Nellie Hooper Thankyou
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After cross reference have decided that the Ellen Hooper mother mmn Knight is not my Hooper family So the Nellie Hooper in 1911 census living with grandparents Charles and Dora Tyler might be mine. Their daughter Lucy married Sydney Hooper in 1904 , Sydney died 1907 Are there any electoral records for Charles and Dora Tyler and maybe their daughter Lucy and granddaughter Nellie Hooper Any ideas where I can further my research in regard with Nellie Hooper Thankyou
Hi eirwin ....what other information do you have on this Nellie Hooper ? do you have a marriage for her ?...best to post as much information you have on her ...On your post you were looking for the family of John and Clara Hooper in Hendon ...What is her connection to you.. family etc
Rosie :)
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Nellie May Hooper marries Henry James Hersey in 1930 in Farnham. Born. 1906 Died 1959. This is all the information which I started from. The odd thing is that both Christian names of the father’s of the bride and groom are down as Henry James. Believe Nellie’s father’s might be a mistake. Also Nellie’s. father was deceased by time of marriage Now working on entry from 1911 census when a Nellie was living with her grandparents (Tyler). Thanks for all your assistance. Eirwen
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Hi
The Dec 1930 Farnham marriage says . . . . .
Nellie D Hooper & Ernest G Hersey
not Nellie May Hooper & Henry James Hersey
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Now working on entry from 1911 census when a Nellie was living with her grandparents (Tyler).
I thought I had eliminated her. Place of birth was Battersea.
Registrations in Wandsworth for her and her sister Lily.
Nellie's birth is registered as Helen Dora Jessie Hooper, mother Tyler, Sep 1905, 1d 528
1930 electoral register, Great Amwell, Hertfordshire
Hooper, Ellen Dora Jessie, at Haileybury College
Married in Hertfordshire in 1933.
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This has probably been posted before
Burial at Ash St Peter in Surrey, 28 May 1959
Nellie May Hersey, age 53, abode 49 Wyke Avenue Ash
That is her address in 1939, again I believe the details have been posted before on one(!) of the previous threads, so I can say that her d-o-b was 25.5.05
1932 electoral register has Ernest and May Hersey at 2 Arthur's Cottages, Ash. I believe living with his parents.
1933 at 49 Wyke, Ernest George and Nellie May Hersey.
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Thank you for your reply. Have all the information which you so kindly found. But over the last 4 yrs cannot locate Nellie’s birth That is why trying to establish if it is her living with grandparents in 1911 census. Eirwen
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Thanking everyone for the prompt replies What I have is Ellen May Hooper born 1905 parents John and Clara Hooper . is this a different family to the family which has been located, Thankyou.
eirwen is this the person you are looking for ..where did you get this information ?
Rosie
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Hi Rosie. This family is. not mine. Researching the Nellie with grandparents Tyler in 1911 census Hope this makes it all clear to everyone. Eirwen
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Here is something interesting!
Death
Sep 1955 Bournemouth 6b 114
Hersey, Philip John
age 26
Probate for Philip John Hersey, of 49 Wye-avenue Ash (should be Wyke!), an administration granted to Nellie May Hersey.
https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/Calendar?surname=hersey&yearOfDeath=1955&page=1#calendar
Now, we know that Ernest and Nellie married in 1930, their first child seems to be registered in 1932 in Hartley Wintney district
So who was Philip John? There is this possible birth
June 1929 St George Hanover Sq 1a 533
Hooper, Philip J.
mother Hooper
Would it be worth getting the certificate?
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John - you manage to find such good stuff...
Philip was buried at Ash St Peter.
I think, eirwen, that rosie is trying to establish how you got to Nellie? Is it through a chain of documented events back from you or whoever you are helping research?