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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Dublin => Topic started by: seymor on Thursday 20 June 19 07:04 BST (UK)
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Re Thomas Moore born Dublin 1902
George Patrick Moore born Dublin 1904.
My father, Thomas and his brother lost their Mum and 4 sisters to TB over several years up until 1912.
Due to a serious bout of pneumonia their father was in hospital.
Reported by a teacher for being alone, they were picked up in the street by authorities.
The courts sent them to the trade school Carriglea. I have tried for many years to find the appropriate records but without success.
Recently I saw on ‘Who Do You Think You Are’ and heard of the NSPCC.
I was hoping someone on this site would be able to tell me how I could access these records.
I have written to places but I get no response.
Many thanks
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Carriglea was an Industrial School, as they were placed there by the courts have you tried here
https://www.education.ie/en/The-Department/FOI/Applications-by-Former-Residents-of-Industrial-Schools/FAQs.html
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you need to write to Christian Brother's which i think is in Marino ,Dublin
https://dunlaoghairechat.ie/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=2059
i wrote to them some year's ago just cant remember the address at present but they were very helpful regarding my grandmother's brother who was sent to Artane 1900
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Hi Sinann.
Wow that was prompt, thank you.
I have printed the forms and will send them off and find out what I can.
Several years ago I tried to find Carriglea records, even spoke to one of the Brothers who had worked there. I was told then that the records were not available for the 1912 period as no one new where they had gone.
Many thanks....here’s hoping.
Regards Seymor
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I would send an email to their European Province second on list here might cut out all the red tape
https://www.dublindiocese.ie/houses-of-religious-brothers/
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Thanks Dathai.
Let you know how I get on.
Regards Seymor
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Warning.
I'm not the better of having watch this and I didn't have family there, so you may find it quite disturbing.
Most reports online are later than the period your boys would have been there but this virtual tour tries to evoke a sense of what it was like.
https://industrialmemories.ucd.ie/project/vr-tour-of-carriglea
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Have you been in touch with one of Dublin local news papers to help you. They could put something in the paper for people to come forward with information. I think you need a newspaper help with this.
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What was there mums name?
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Re Thomas Moore.
He was the son of Peter Moore and Mary Becton.
Peter died in Liverpool in 1932.
Thanks
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Peter and Mary marriage on church records civil
http://www.irishgenealogy.ie
says Peter was a constable marriage 22.11.1892
might be Beeton
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Thanks Rathmore.
That record is for my grandparents. I have the marriage certificate.
I was hoping someone would know how I could access the records for the ‘National Society of Protection for Cruelty to Children’.
I have tried the National archives and the Dublin Library but the former said they cannot help and the library didn’t reply.
Would appreciate if someone could tell me where the records would be kept.
Many thanks, appreciate your help.
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I've never heard of there being records from the NSPCC accessible.
The present-day organisation is called the ISPCC: https://www.ispcc.ie/
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I was hoping someone would know how I could access the records for the ‘National Society of Protection for Cruelty to Children’.
NSPCC = National Society for the Prevention of Cruelty of Children.
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Hi
An episode of ‘Who Do You Think You are’ on Boy George.
His grandmother was picked up on the streets and via a court order, was sent to an orphanage.
Boy George’s mother had a copy of the court order and spoke as if it was the first time she had seen it.
I tried 20 years ago to find a copy of a court order for Dad but without success, so when I saw that program I got excited.
Many thanks for replying.
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I will tell you the story of my great grandfather so that it may help you find more record's to do with your case.
A couple of years ago when Family Search had the prison registers on line free my great grand father Robert Kent appeared on the register for child cruelty 1900 i did not know what to make of this as he was on the 1901 census with my grand mother age 17
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Wexford/New_Ross_Urban/Mary_Street/1799098/
My brother then went to N Archives and gleaned through the Wexford papers till he came across an article ''Cruel Father'' in the ''Wexford People ''which out lined the case
It appears he worked for Cherry Brewery's in Wexford and was away for 2 days and nights frequently delivering to Fenit his wife was ill in an institution and the children 4 i think were running wild till all hours of the morning which had been reported to the police by one of his neighbours.
When he returned home i presume all he wanted to do was have a good sleep but they kept him awake so out frustration he beat them with his belt and was reported for this as well leading to him getting 2 months hard labour so he probably lost his job as well.
The case implied that my grand mother the eldest had run away from home at this time she would be 16 so not likely to be subject to a court order
The others Laurence his son was sent to Artane and the girls to Irishtown Wexford while he was in prison.
The Christian brothers told me Laurence was held till age 16 and sent out on licence to a farmer in Dublin till he was 18 he was back home in Donard for 1911 census with his Uncle and Aunts both parents now dead
I thought this was the end of the story till a fellow Rootschatter found a few petty session records where he was summonded for maintenance for the children during their incarceration having to contribute a few shilling's weekly i think for their upkeep.
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Certainly was a sad period.
The record I am looking for is:
Children’s Act, 1908. 8 Edw. 7. Ch. 67
Order of detention in a certified industrial School.
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Have you has a word with the local police in Dublin?