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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: Kenneal67 on Friday 14 June 19 13:58 BST (UK)
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I am looking for info on a Thomas Semple who was UK born as far as I know. His daughter Jane Semple was born in South Australia in 1843. I can't uncover any travel or passenger info for Thomas or indeed who his wife was.
Any help appreciated
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There is a Thomas Simple / Semple, wife Susanna and children including a Jane age 9 emigrating to Australia 27 October 1853 could they be the family
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS8N-KFV7?i=32
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Hmmm I guess it could be but other info we have is that Jane was born in Oz, more digging needed.
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The passenger list is here:
https://www.archives.sa.gov.au/sites/default/files/GRG35_48_1_54-4_Sultana.pdf
Debra :)
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Obit for Jane's daughter Louisa says her grandfather Thomas was a builder in Kent Town.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/45690426
Marriage notices for Robert and Martha state their father is of Kent Town:
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/97216023
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/31832084
Death of Susannah at College Road, Kent Town, wife of Thomas.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/94728606
Debra :)
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So that looks like the correct family group so they did indeed arrive from the UK so Jane wasn't born in Autralia
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From the Biographical Index of South Australians 1836-1885 A good resource compiled in 1986 however I always attempt to validate the information. There are errors and omissions. It would appear the family were Irish.
SEMPLE Thomas b: c1817 MOG IRL d: after 1878
Arrived 1854 SULTANA
0ccupation Farm Labourer, Plasterer
Lived Kent Town
Married IRL Susannah born c1816 MOG IRL
Children Martha ROBERTS c1839-, Mary c1842-, Jane c1845-, Robt c1848-, Sarah c1850-.
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I have just looked at trove.nla for Thomas Semple in South Australia and they have several articles on his insolvency hearing in July 1886.
Jackie
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From the Biographical Index of South Australians 1836-1885 A good resource compiled in 1986 however I always attempt to validate the information. There are errors and omissions. It would appear the family were Irish.
SEMPLE Thomas b: c1817 MOG IRL d: after 1878
Arrived 1854 SULTANA
0ccupation Farm Labourer, Plasterer
Lived Kent Town
Married IRL Susannah born c1816 MOG IRL
Children Martha ROBERTS c1839-, Mary c1842-, Jane c1845-, Robt c1848-, Sarah c1850-.
Thankyou what does MOG mean?
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County Monaghan.
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In the Tithe records there is a Semple in Co. Monaghan, the only one listed.
A Robert Semple
In Skerrymore Muckno
http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/results.jsp?surname=semple&firstname=&county=Monaghan&parish=&townland=&search=Search
Maggsie
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locating Semple concentrations might be helped by this addition
1823-1837 Tithes Applotment Books based upon the index work of the Irish Genealogy Hub’s
listing for each parish in Northern Ireland, which are quicker to lookup if you know the parish!
The relevant original books are in the Public Record Office of Northern Ireland (PRONI) Belfast
Sample, Hu.-Townland: Carrenbrock Year: 1833-Templecorran-Antrim
Sample, James-Townland: Killykergin Year: 1832-Aghadowey -Derry
Sample, James-Townland: Luney Year: 1827-Desertmartin-Derry
Sample, Jas.-Townland: Hogstown Year: 1834-Donaghadee-Down
Sample, John-Townland: Killykergin Year: 1832-Aghadowey -Derry
Sample, John-Townland: Rosegarland Year: 1827-Desertmartin-Derry
Semple, C.-Tl: Garvetagh Upper Yr: 1834-Ardstraw-Tyrone
Semple, Charles-T: Killen Y: 1826-Termonamongan-Tyrone
Semple, Francis-T: Laught Y: 1826-Termonamongan-Tyrone
Semple, George-Tl: Garveteagh Upper Yr: 1834-Ardstraw-Tyrone
Semple, Hugh-Townland: Loughan Year: 1834-Kildollagh-Derry
Semple, James-T: Mulnabreen Y: 1826-Termonamongan-Tyrone
Semple, James-Townland: Derryduff Year: 1834-Dungiven-Derry
Semple, James-Townland: Dromore Year: 1834-Clonallan-Down
Semple, James-Townland: Narrowwater Year: 1834-Clonallan-Down
Semple, Jno.-Tl: Lisnacreight Yr: 1834-Ardstraw-Tyrone
Semple, John-County: Down Townland: Ballyinagin Year: 1834-Magheralin-Armagh
Semple, John-T: Mulnabreen Y: 1826-Termonamongan-Tyrone
Semple, John-Townland: Ballyinagin Year: 1834-Magheralin-Down
Semple, John-Townland: Carnleagh Year: 1833- Kirkinriola -Antrim
Semple, John-Townland: Crossmarey Year: 1816-Carrickfergus-Antrim
Semple, John-Townland: Crossmary Year: 1833-Kilroots-Antrim
Semple, John-Townland: Derryduff Year: 1834-Dungiven-Derry
Semple, John-Townland: Dromore Year: 1834-Clonallan-Down
Semple, John-Townland: Loughan Year: 1834-Kildollagh-Derry
Semple, John-Townland: Narrowwater Year: 1834-Clonallan-Down
Semple, Moses-Tl: Lisnacreight Yr: 1834-Ardstraw-Tyrone
Semple, Robert-Tl: Garveteagh Lower Yr: 1834-Ardstraw-Tyrone
Semple, Robert-Tl: Lisnacreight Yr: 1834-Ardstraw-Tyrone
Semple, Samuel-Townland: Tullyhevin Year: 1833-Greyabbey-Down
Semple, Widow Townland : Carryreagh Year: 1834-Finvoy-Antrim
Semple, William-County: Down Townland: Ballyinagin Year: 1834-Magheralin-Armagh
Semple, William-Tl: Glenglush Yr: 1834-Ardstraw-Tyrone
Semple, William-Townland: Ballyinagin Year: 1834-Magheralin-Down
Semple, William-Townland: Loughan Year: 1834-Kildollagh-Derry
Semple, William-Townland: Moneydig Year: 1822-Desertoghill-Derry
Semple, Wm.-T: Moylagh Y: 1826-Clogherny-Tyrone
Semple, Wm.-Townland: Gortree Year: 1834-Clondermot-Derry
Simpel, Robert-County: Down Townland: Ballyinagin Year: 1834-Magheralin-Armagh
Simpel, Robert-Townland: Ballyinagin Year: 1834-Magheralin-Down
Simple, Adam-Townland: Whitehouse Year: 1835- Carnmoney-Antrim
Simple, Widow Tl: Derrycrush Yr: 1827--Carnteel-Tyrone
Simple, William-Townland: Carnkerk Year: 1824-Billy-Antrim
the spelling varianrs Sample, Simpel, and Simple, found, made me look again at Co Monaghan tithes on http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/home.jsp resulting in no new entries for Co Monaghan. Using the same website the search for anyone named Thomas Semple returns none found
moving to
1861 Griffiths valuation three sources
1. https://www.failteromhat.com for quick index
Semple Robert Skerrymore Muckno Monaghan
Semple Thomas Skerrymore Muckno Monaghan
Semple Thomas Castleblayney Henry St Muckno Monaghan
Semple Adam Castleblayney York St Muckno Monaghan
2. http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/ for detail and map ref ..
Robert has map ref 4 15 map ref 12 in Skerrymore townland
Thomas has map ref 13 in Skerrymore townland
Thomas has map ref 4 15 in Henry st Onomy townland Castleblayney
Adam has map ref 4 20 in York st Onomy townland Castleblayney
entries under detailsinclude thebld, office, land etc The mapa are great showing a building, fields etc around 1860. you can print them
3. valuation-revision-books show the change of tenancy when someone moves or dies see National Archives for monaghan queries
The Semples are still there in 1911 Census see http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/
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If you could buy his death certificate it should give you more information. Australian death certificates give a lot of details. How long he lived in Australia, where he lived, who he married and when and his children's names and who his parents were. They can be an absolute goldmine. I believe that they are expensive but if you are stuck with your Thomas, it should be invaluable.
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If you could buy his death certificate it should give you more information. Australian death certificates give a lot of details. How long he lived in Australia, where he lived, who he married and when and his children's names and who his parents were. They can be an absolute goldmine. I believe that they are expensive but if you are stuck with your Thomas, it should be invaluable.
Thomas died in 1902 in South Australia. Don't waste your money purchasing a South Australian Certificate as the information is scant. There is no such thing as an Australian death certificate. Each State and Territory in Australia is responsible and maintains its own Registries. Information on certificates differs from State to State.
Information on South Australian death certificates for 1902
1842-1907
Date of Death
Name
Sex
Age
Occupation
Usual Residence
Cause of Death
Place of Death
Informant
From my resource
Death
SEMPLE Thomas 82 years [Marital] Status Not recorded No relative recorded
27 Jul 1902
Residence Kent Town Death Place Adelaide Ade S 287/458
Thomas and Susannah are interred at West Terrace Cemetery
http://www.aca.sa.gov.au/Records
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My apologies if I mislead anyone with regard to an Australian death certificate. I had no idea that every state and territory varies or that there is no such thing as an Australian certificate. We live and learn!
I have two death certificates issued in Victoria which were nothing short of amazing in the amount of information they contained.
Maureen