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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Down => Topic started by: Cwellan CoDown on Thursday 13 June 19 13:52 BST (UK)
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Hi
Wondering if anyone can help
I have a Henry Carlin born c. 1860, From wills (Henry Carlin Senior died 1891) and land records his father is Henry Carlin also living in Brolough (Crossgar/Kilmore).
He married an Ann Rogan in 1892 and they had a daughter Margaret in 1893.
There doesn't seem to be a civil record for the marriage but I think the parish records exists on ulster historical foundation and rootsireland.
(Kilmore/crossgar not in NLI)
Henry (Henry's father) died in 1891 - but again no civil record seems to exist.
Henry has a sister Margaret and another sister who's name I can't make out.
So if anyone can help with this much appreciated!
- Its the marriage record for Henry Carlin & Ann Rogan I am looking and possibly birth details for Henry and his sister Margaret and other sister (Anna or Amelia possibly)
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.......and they had a daughter Margaret in 1893.
Margaret (Maggie) born ? December 1892.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1893/02319/1868734.pdf
KG
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.......and they had a daughter Margaret in 1893.
Margaret (Maggie) born ? December 1892.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1893/02319/1868734.pdf
KG
Yes this is the daughter.
Ann dies in 1893 and Henry remarries a Catherine Smyth.
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Civil registration of births started in 1864 so there will be no birth certificates to be found before those dates.
You could try to see if baptism records for that correct period are available-
https://registers.nli.ie/
Henry Snr.'s other daughter was Anna/Annie.
Anna/Annie Carlin m.(1893) John Gordon
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1893/10586/5856480.pdf
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Inch/Annacloy/1228624/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Inch/Annacloy/237927/
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Civil registration of births started in 1864 so there will be no birth certificates to be found before those dates.
You could try to see if baptism records for that correct period are available-
https://registers.nli.ie/
Henry Snr.'s other daughter was Anna/Annie.
Anna/Annie Carlin m.(1893) John Gordon
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1893/10586/5856480.pdf
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Inch/Annacloy/1228624/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Inch/Annacloy/237927/
Thanks - I had just found her marriage cert as you posted this!
Searching all Carlin bmd registered in Downpatrick
Unfortunately the parish records for crossgar aren't available on NLI - just on the paid sub sites and not the ones I have subs for!
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Probate of the Will of Henry Carlin late of Broaghclough County Down Farmer who died 28 November 1916 granted at Belfast to John Flynn Farmer. Effects £126 5s. 0d.
This is then likely the townland of Broaghclough (sic)
Murvaclogher (Murvaclogher or Broaghclogh) , Kilmore Civil Parish, Co. Down
https://www.townlands.ie/down/kinelarty/kilmore/murvaclogher/
KG
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https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1893/05989/4703450.pdf
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1896/10488/5819464.pdf
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Rossconnor/Murvaclogher_or_Broclaugh/1225766/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Rossconor/Murraclougher_or_Broclough/235046/
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1916/05232/4449126.pdf
Probate of the Will of Henry Carlin late of Broaghclough County Down Farmer who died 28 November 1916 granted at Belfast to John Flynn Farmer.
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https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1893/05989/4703450.pdf
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1896/10488/5819464.pdf
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Rossconnor/Murvaclogher_or_Broclaugh/1225766/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Rossconor/Murraclougher_or_Broclough/235046/
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1916/05232/4449126.pdf
Probate of the Will of Henry Carlin late of Broaghclough County Down Farmer who died 28 November 1916 granted at Belfast to John Flynn Farmer.
Thanks - I had already seen these, but thanks for looking!
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I posted the links to save others from searching for the information you mentioned but it makes things much easier if you do so in your initial post.
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The 1892 marriage in Ulster Historical Foundation ancestryireland.com ., is for an Anne Rogan, it has a possible match year with a Henry Carlin in both cases the fathers name is not mentioned.
As an alternative I went to GRONI https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/articles/search-gronis-online-records#toc-0 for a free look up follow on the instructions, you will arrive at Purchasing Credits Page on the right hand side is a box marked Free search then entering Carlin Henry enter Year from 1891 to 1892 and then do it again for 1892 to 1893 the result for both is one marriage recorded. proving the marriage is 1892 Do the same for Ann or Anne Rogan and the results are zero. So assuming its under Rogan but perhaps with a first name of two first names etc the answer is 4 marriages 10 for 1892 to 1893.
So you could search just for Henry Carlin marriage 1892, all you need for the Henry Carlin 1892 is a credit costs £0.50. You can hold up to a maximum of 200 credits.
You need a minimum of one credit in your account before you can search the records.
ie 50p on a credit or debit card cost of one search. buying a certificate of what your result is a further charge if you need one is £15.
When you think no other way forward, then for 50p I think its your back stop even if it turns out to be the wrong marriage
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The 1892 marriage in Ulster Historical Foundation ancestryireland.com ., is for an Anne Rogan, it has a possible match year with a Henry Carlin in both cases the fathers name is not mentioned.
As an alternative I went to GRONI https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/articles/search-gronis-online-records#toc-0 for a free look up follow on the instructions, you will arrive at Purchasing Credits Page on the right hand side is a box marked Free search then entering Carlin Henry enter Year from 1891 to 1892 and then do it again for 1892 to 1893 the result for both is one marriage recorded. proving the marriage is 1892 Do the same for Ann or Anne Rogan and the results are zero. So assuming its under Rogan but perhaps with a first name of two first names etc the answer is 4 marriages 10 for 1892 to 1893.
So you could search just for Henry Carlin marriage 1892, all you need for the Henry Carlin 1892 is a credit costs £0.50. You can hold up to a maximum of 200 credits.
You need a minimum of one credit in your account before you can search the records.
ie 50p on a credit or debit card cost of one search. buying a certificate of what your result is a further charge if you need one is £15.
When you think no other way forward, then for 50p I think its your back stop even if it turns out to be the wrong marriage
Thanks I have some credits on groni and the search did not turn up anything the 1892 henry Carlin marriage is the a Margaret McGurk so it's not the right one
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Henrys father, again Henry, b.1828, is in my family tree.