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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: Bellevue on Saturday 08 June 19 14:50 BST (UK)
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Hello,
Am am looking for the death of a nun who was in the "Sacred Heart Convent, Liverpool".
Her birth name was Mary and she was born about 1869 in Ireland.
Her religious name was Sr. Albertune (I could be a bit off with the spelling). I know she is dead by 1934 as per an obit for one of her siblings in Ireland.
I have never researched any records in the UK so do not know where to look.
Any info on her would be welcome.
Thank you.
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Do you have her birth surname... presumably her death would be registered under that?
Hello,
Am am looking for the death of a nun who was in the "Sacred Heart Convent, Liverpool".
Her birth name was Mary and she was born about 1869 in Ireland.
Her religious name was Sr. Albertune (I could be a bit off with the spelling). I know she is dead by 1934 as per an obit for one of her siblings in Ireland.
I have never researched any records in the UK so do not know where to look.
Any info on her would be welcome.
Thank you.
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Sorry! Of course.
O'Donnell
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When do you last have her alive ie what year?
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This one is possible as a Catholic burial 7 Feb 1915 age 45
Ford Cemetery Liverpool
Mary O'Donnell
There is another buried 24 Mar 1911 age 40
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When do you last have her alive ie what year?
The ONLY reference to her I have is from her sisters obit in 1934 which listed siblings in the church (two priests and herself). One of the priests died 1928, the other was alive and she is listed as "the late".
So I have no idea when she actually died.
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Have you found her on a census?
Do you know the name of her order at Sacred Heart Convent and what kind of order it was e.g. teaching, nursing? Was it a missionary order i.e. was she likely to have worked abroad and possibly died in a foreign country?
Diocesan almanacs/directories were published. They contained information about Catholic establishments. I think they contained lists of clergy who had died since the previous publication but I don't know if lists of deceased nuns were included. There are some old directories online. Liverpool is an arch-diocese.
Possible obituary sources: Local newspapers; national Catholic press: e.g. "The Universe", "The Tablet" (there were others); there may have been a more local Catholic newspaper, in view of the large R.C. population in Liverpool and Lancashire. There are some Catholic papers on Find My Past.
Catholic Family History Society has a publications list, a blog, website, &c. One publication is "Who were the Nuns" but I think nuns in it were too early for your lady. I suggest you look at the Catholic FHS as that is the specialist FH society and a lot of members are either based in NW England or had ancestors from there.
It's difficult as it's a wide span of years to search and she had a common surname.
Also Liverpool/Merseyside-based FH groups.
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The ONLY reference to her I have is from her sisters obit in 1934 which listed siblings in the church (two priests and herself). One of the priests died 1928, the other was alive and she is listed as "the late".
Obit of the brother who died 1928 might have mentioned his sister, the nun.
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Do you know where her siblings are buried as there may be a headstone with mention of Mary on it.
I did find a Mary in a convent but unfortunately later than 1934 :(
What was the name of the one still alive in 1928?
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Her religious name was Sr. Albertune (I could be a bit off with the spelling)
Could she have been Sister Albertine?
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Unfortunately the two brothers that were priests worked and died in Australia / New Zealand. Their obits and any mention of them in newspapers do not reference siblings in Ireland or their sister the nun. So no help there I'm afraid.
Yes. It's probably Albertine. Just checked Google and it's a religious name.
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The Sacred Heart of Mary was a convent founded in 1872 in Crosby, in 1908 they founded the Seafield Convent of the Sacred Heart which was a girl’s convent school and ran until 1977 when it amalgamated with a boy’s school to become the Sacred Catholic College.
The convent was very near the RC church of St Peter and St Paul in Crosby. The church has a still active graveyard so it possibly has an area for the sisters’ burial. They have a website so they may be worth contacting.
Crosby is just up the road from Liverpool itself.
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Thank you very much. I will email them.
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There are two CD compilations of lists of nuns. One - “Index of Nuns” [from 1795] pub Catholic Family History Society (2015) - has a note -
Approximately 94% of the over 14,200 records in the current CFHS database relate to nuns who professed later than 1795, and thus the Index of Nuns usefully complements, rather than duplicates, the detailed study by Dr. Caroline Bowden et alii of the families of nuns of the English convents in exile 1600-1800, the 'Who were the nuns? project', which can be referenced at wwtn.history.qmul.ac.uk. Note also that members of the English Benedictine Congregation (both monks and nuns) can be searched for at www.plantata.org.uk/people.php. It should be noted that some orders did not contribute data.
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It would appear that the order to which Sister Albertine belonged did not contribute to this Index.
The 1911 Census For England & Wales shows Mary O'Donnell as being at -
Seafield House, Great Crosby, Lancashire, England
Mary O Donnell
Sister Of Order Single Female Age,40
Birth year,1871
Birth place, Clonnel Tipperary Resident
Occupation, Domestic Duties
Address, Seafield House Great Crosby
Archive reference,RG14
Registration district,West Derby
Registration district number,455
Enumeration district,30
District number,30
Sub district,Crosby
Sub district number,1
Census reference,RG14PN22329 RD455 SD1 ED30 SN9999
RG78 code number,1318
Piece number,22329
The English houses of this order are part of the Northern Europe Province of the order and there is a website at http://www.rshm-nep.org/page-11192.html but there does not appear to be a contact page. The 'Catholic Directory' for 2011 (the most recent one I can access) has an address. You could try to contact the order's archivist, giving the details you have -
The Archivist
Religious of the Sacred Heart of Mary
54 Grange Road
London W5 5BX
Email: provincial@rshmlondon.org I suggest you mark it -“For the attention of the Archivist”
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I wonder if she moved to Sacred Heart College in Liverpool - which is in the Abercromby district as it was known then ...
death notice aged 51 - fits age wise - a year out if born 1869
1919 -ODONNELL Mary age 51 Abercromby Liverpool ABE/57/81
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This one is possible as a Catholic burial 7 Feb 1915 age 45
Ford Cemetery Liverpool
Mary O'Donnell
There is another buried 24 Mar 1911 age 40
These are both public graves. (unlikely she would be in here)
I have searched the graves allocated to "mother Superior" which are mostly in Ford section I, no Mary O'Donnell in any of these and no sisters from Sacred Heart.
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Thank you all for your comments.
I have emailed the archivist for the Sacred Heart of Mary. Hopefully I'll get a reply.