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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: snook on Wednesday 29 May 19 05:17 BST (UK)
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Mitchell library lookup or any information on where Lair No: 132 is.
Used by my 3rd & 4th Gt Grandparents the Murray family from 1778 to 1845 in Glasgow.
Cheers Snook
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The large municipal cemeteries opened post that date, they could be buried at the Cathedral or smaller burial grounds like the Calton? If he was a merchant it would be the old Ramshorn kirkyard. When it was full the merchants opened the Necropolis Cemetery on the hill above the cathedral in the 1830's. A very low lair number.
Skoosh.
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Mitchell library lookup or any information on where Lair No: 132 is.
Used by my 3rd & 4th Gt Grandparents the Murray family from 1778 to 1845 in Glasgow.
Cheers Snook
Most of the cemeteries will have a “lair no 132” .... although the major portion of your dates would put it to one of the church graveyards given by Skoosh. The Necropolis (1833) and the Southern Necropolis (1840) also come into the mix.
What area are your records linked with ?
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My 4th Gt Grandparent John also a wright of Provan Mill,Gadsbridge & later Glasgow. d.1778 his wife Ann d.1817 (Lair 132)
My 3rd Gt Grandparent George was a wright (Glazier) of Gibson Street Gallowgate. d.1820 his wife Margaret d.1845 (Lair 132)
My 2nd Gt Grandparent George (also Wright & Factor)& family are buried in Lair 179 adjacent Necropolis Cathedral 1854 to 1917.(i have the headstone photo)
Snook
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Snook, you might try contacting the Trades House in Glasgow,
https://www.tradeshouse.org.uk
The history of the Wrights was printed by James Erskine & Sons in 1928, "The Incorporation of Wrights in Glasgow!" which might be available on-line? the Wrights have a genealogical roll of members!
Bests,
Skoosh.
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https://archive.org/stream/incorporationofw00inco/incorporationofw00inco_djvu.txt but there's no genealogical information about those of my ancestors who are mentioned in it. It may be a different edition, of course.
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Good find FF, I have the book, the thing with the Trades Incorporations is that with the growth of Glasgow the old incorporations lost control of the industrial life of the city & became in effect charitable foundations/social clubs. The later lists of members reflect this & include merchants, ship-owners & members of other trades etc'. There are not many Murray's listed so possibly generations of one family.
The Cathedral looks like the best bet for these graves, possibly the walled-off sections north of the Cathedral itself & against the Royal Infirmary.
Bests,
Skoosh.
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I have the book
Any chance of a swift keek to see if it has any genealogical information on any Waddells, please, Skoosh?
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FF, I don't see any in the Names of Members but the List of Members has,
James Waddell, wright, 1808,
William Waddell, writer, 1814,
John Waddell, wright, 1814.
Unfortunately no addresses. The "Names of Members" must be this genealogical contribution. The Wrights covered a multiplicity of trades, but a Writer seems a bit strange?
In 1696, 17th Sep' a William Waddell & two other painters submitted themselves to join the Wrights being the only painters in town!
In 1797/98 a Robert Waddell, a Wright, had the honour of Deacon Convener of the Trades House!
Not many of them FF so again possibly one family?
Bests,
Skoosh.
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Not many of them FF so again possibly one family?
Thanks, Skoosh. I know about William Waddell, Robert Waddell and Michael Waddell, all of whom were descendants of the Waddells of Magiscroft, New Monkland.
Michael was one of 10 children of William W and Margaret Young, and grandson of John W of Magiscroft. He was born in 1815 in Cumbernauld. He married Jean Morrison Matthews and they had five children, of whom only two daughters survived to adulthood, and only one married. Michael himself died betwen the 1851 census and the end of 1854. However I can be confident about his parentage because his niece was in his household in 1851, and I can pin her down via her mother and sisters, even though they were inconsiderate enough to make it difficult for me by emigrating to Manitoba.
Robert was the son of James W of Magiscroft and Anna Howie, as confirmed by various sasines. He married Margaret Rowan in 1779, and I know of 10 children, though I don't know what became of all of them. Nor do I yet have a date of death for Robert or his wife. It was this Robert who sold Magiscroft, which had been in his family for over 200 years.
William W, writer, was the son of Robert W. I know this because he named his first son Robert and his second daughter Margaret Rowan (his first daughter was named after his mother-in-law). He died some time between 1841 and 1850, when his daughter married James Anderson. See https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=626968.0
James and John W could also be Magiscroft Waddells, but I have not previously come across them. Though Robert's son James was an upholsterer, which I suppose could be stretched to cabinetmaker and thus wright, but it's a bit tenuous without any additional information. He died in 1819.
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@ FF, I assume that William Waddell the painter in 1696 was an artist rather than a hoose-painter being one of only three in Glasgow?
Skoosh.
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I have no idea, not least because I have never come across them before. I'm on reasonably solid ground with the late 18th century ones, but not with the 17th century ones. They'll go on the list to be pursued in due course.
Though I do usually tend to interpret 'painter' as 'painter and decorator' as opposed to 'artist'.
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The Cathedral looks like the best bet for these graves, possibly the walled-off sections north of the Cathedral itself & against the Royal Infirmary.
Please any more info on the above,ie where is it situated, who to contact for records?
Cheers Snook
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@ snook, Google Glasgow Cathedral graves, findagrave.com & billiongraves.com are possibilities.
At some time (late 18th cent'?) the kirkyard has been measured & the lairs sold off, so a burial would involve cutting through centuries of old graves.
Skoosh.