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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Hampshire & Isle of Wight => Topic started by: LizzieL on Tuesday 28 May 19 15:20 BST (UK)
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George Derham was baptised in Christchurch on 27 Jan 1828. The transcript of baptism record says he was born on 19 Nov 1827. His parents were Walter Derham and his wife Jane nee Gulliver. In 1841 he is in Purewell, Christchurch with his parents and older sister Lucy.
There is a merchant seaman record dated 1848 for a George Derham born Christchurch but date of birth is 19 Dec 1828 - a year and a month out. But I can't find another George Derham of Christchurch that is even a close match to this.
Can anyone find out any more about him please?
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Haven't found out anything else about George Derham - but quite possibly he didn't himself know his date of birth.
If he was baptised in January 1828 then obviously he can't have been born in the December of that year - but the similarities of the quoted dates are interesting
Perhaps he vaguely knew he was born about 1828ish and his birthday was 19th and close to Christmas....
It's been said before here that birth dates weren't very important to many people in 19th Century.
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I'm a direct descendant of his parents Walter James Derham and Jane Gulliver, through George's brother James. I, too, have been trying to find info about George for many years and have come against a brick wall. There are several George Derhams in Christchurch around the time, but apart from George's birth and baptism records and the 1841 census, I haven't been able to find him in any other censuses or marriage and death records. The other Georges I've researched are linked to different parents.
Most of the Derhams in Christchurch seemed to have been agricultural labourers or seamen. So the George, which I've seen as well in the merchant seamen records, might well be him. Apart from the error in the birthday, there's also the error that he's listed as Durham. However, there doesn't seem to be a George Durham born in Christchurch in 1828 and the Derham name has been recorded incorrectly as Durham before.
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Hello Gerrie, welcome to Rootschat. We corresponded a long time ago and I lost your contact details when my old laptop died and with it a lot of emails! Since I did a DNA test earlier this year, I've been extending my tree sideways to try and identify the 4th and 5th cousin matches, which I seem to share with known Derham relatives. Hence trying to tie up loose ends and find out whether your George married and had children. The other mystery George b1800-ish (the one who married Sarah Footner) is very likely to be a brother of your Walter and my John, because I have DNA matches with three of his descendants at a level which would strongly indicate that relationship.
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Hi Lizzie
I do remember you - good to be in touch again.
Regarding my Walter and your John, children of James Derham & Betty Sibley, I have 6 other children in the family, although some have to be verified. But they are of the correct time line and the years between them is viable to be siblings, but, of course, with so many Derhams in the area they could easily be cousins too unless their connection with James & Betty can be verified.
Mary Ann (bap: 27 Oct 1787 in Holdenhurst, Bournemouth. James and Betty were married in Holdenhurst, in 1786, so this would seem to be their first child.
It looks like they moved to Christchurch sometime between 1786 and 1795.
James (born c. 1789)
Elizabeth (born c.1793)
Sarah? (born c.1795) in Christchurch
John (bap. 16 Apr 1797) in Christchurch. Verified father is James
George (born 29 Nov 1799) in Christchurch
Walter James (bap. 1 Aug 1802) in Christchurch. Verified father is James.
Ann Sibley (bap. 2 Nov 1806) in Christchurch. Verified both parents.
Does this tie in with your research? I am going to spend a few days in Christchurch in a couple of months' time and may be able to research a bit more into the above whilst I'm down there.
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Sorry for delay in replying, have just come back from a few days in Scotland and Lake District.
I hadn't got Mary Ann or Sarah. I couldn't find George's baptism, but with several DNA matches with his descendants, I'm pretty certain he's a child of James and Betty.
I agree there are quite a number of Derhams in Christchurch, siblings of James and children of John and Mary. One of James siblings - another George left a useful will. He was either unmarried or outlived any wife and children, so left all his possessions to his siblings and their children. It's on Ancestry if you have access - he died around 1833. He refers to James as his late brother and leaves bequests to his children but doesn't name them. That ties in with James's death in 1822, buried in Littledown - same place as his parents.
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Thanks.
I am on Ancestry, so will look at that.
I have James being buried in Christchurch Priory, ref. 74.
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Sorry yes, buried Christchurch, his residence was Littledown. Am still using very old Family tree maker, must have read the line below.
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Thanks for the confirmation. I have found with some Derham family trees that they are going down the wrong route with parents and siblings. Easy to assume, but you do need the confirmation in records. When I've come across errors, I have contacted them.
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hello folks i just googled mary ann derham and found this link she is my 8th great grand mother any relation to your derhams
thanks (ray carpenter Southampton)
Mary Ann DERHAM
Born 1787
Holdenhurst, Hampshire, England
Married 6 May 1807
Milton, Hampshire, England
Spouse William GANAWAY
Children from this marriage sarah, Elizabeth, Sabina, Taressa, Nancy, William, Charlotte Caroline, John, Walter William
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Yes, I have her on my tree, also an extra child Marianne bapt 26 Mar 1809 Christchurch
Mary Ann was baptised on 21 Oct 1787 d/ James Derham and Betty Sibley. They were my 4 x great grandparents so we're distant cousins a few times removed
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thank you for your reply would you know who her parents are i cant find anything on her im on findmypast i only found her yesterday sadly it looks like she lost a lot of children at a young age to her husband is william ganaway there daughter sarah ganaway is my line
thanks
ray carpenter
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thank you for your reply would you know who her parents are
See above:
James Derham and Betty Sibley
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here's what I have for the Ganaways
MARY ANN DERHAM was baptised 21 Oct 1787 in Holdenhurst d/o James Derham and Betty nee Sibley. She married WILLIAM GANAWAY on 06 May 1807 in Milton Hants.
Children of MARY ANN DERHAM and WILLIAM GANAWAY are:
i. ELIZABETH GANAWAY, bapt 28 Mar 1808 born. Abt. Jul 1807. married JAMES HANCOCK 02 May 1830 in Poole. Child of ELIZABETH GANAWAY and JAMES HANCOCK is:
i. GEORGE HANCOCK, b. 1839.
ii. MARIANNE GANAWAY, bapt: 26 Mar 1809, Christchurch
iii. SARAH GANAWAY, bapt . 25 Aug 1811; married. GEORGE CAWTE, 03 May 1831, Milton Hants.
iv. JOHN GANAWAY, bapt. 28 Apr 1816. He married SABINA MARY ANN LUCAS KILVINGTON 16 Jul 1838 in St George the Martyr, Southwark. Children of JOHN GANAWAY and SABINA KILVINGTON are:
i. SABINA ANN GANAWAY, b. 1839.
ii. MARIA SOPHIA GANAWAY, b. 1847.
v. CHARLOTTE CAROLINE GANAWAY, b. Feb 1819. Baptism: 02 Apr 1819, Christchurch – labourer Residence Nea Croft – age 6 weeks. She married CHARLES NORWOOD. I think there were two children b 1845 and 1848
vi. WILLIAM GANAWAY, bapt 14 Jul 1822, Christchurch; buried Bef. 23 Mar 1823, Christchurch.
vii. WALTER WILLIAM GANAWAY, bapt . 21 Nov 1824.
viii. NANCY GANAWAY, bapt 20 Oct 1827, Christchurch; buried . 02 Nov 1827, Christchurch.
ix. TARESSA GANAWAY, bapt 08 Feb 1829, Christchurch; buried 25 Nov 1831, Christchurch.
Sorry about all the capitals, its just what Family Tree Maker does
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thank you for your help lizzie very greatful to you
ray
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could this be your george
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Thank you but he would be too young to be the George I'm looking for. I have the George in your post as George Derham bapt 28 Jun 1835 s/o George and Sarah nee Footner. I have a marriage for him to Mary Chapman Q2 1861. The other 3 Derhams in the household look like his uncles John and James and John's wife Eliza nee Hibberd. James and John were sons of James Derham and Betty Sibley. James is listed as unmarried on FindMyPast transcript, but if you check the image he was a widower. (Ancestry has clearer image than FindMyPast). He married Charlotte Evans on 29 Jan 1811, but she died in 1829 (buried 23 Oct 1829).
In 1841, James is living with his widowed mother Elizabeth Derham aka Betty Sibley at Stanpit.
Piece 397, Book 4 Folio 6 Page 12
Also in the household are Elizabeth / Betty's two grandchildren
Ann Derham Preston, daughter of Elizabeth Derham and William Preston (they married 8 Jun 1820)
Frederick Derham, son of the same John and Eliza on the 1861 census above.
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in 1841 there is only one George Derham who is listed in Mudeford as head of family, technically he lived in Stanpit and was 38 at the time of the census he owned plot 4355 on what is now known as fishermans bank, he was my 4th great grandad, the property is still owned by the same family through sons James Footner, Harry Derham and Joseph Derham the property becoming 4 fishermans bank, (not 104 as stated in the official census records) as there was only 2 semi detached houses in 1841 renumbered 6 fishermans bank much to my grandads annoyance he changed the name to Oceanera