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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => London and Middlesex => Topic started by: Hampshire Lass on Monday 27 May 19 10:13 BST (UK)
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Emily Ballard married in the June quarter of 1845 in St Marylebone.
Volume 1 Page 221
For some reason her possible partners names are not showing.
I'm trying to find her marriage to James Brown and think this may be the one.
Other than sending for this marriage certificate, please does anyone know how I can find who this marriage was to. Or please can anyone find the marriage between Emily Ballard and James Brown....because my mind is spinning around in circles :)
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possible spouses are there on FreeBmd, no James Brown. Where do you have your James & Emily together?
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Incorrectly transcribed?
Marriage Jun 1845 Marylebone 1 217 James Brown
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sorry, may have replied too soon. There are 9 people on that FreeBmd page. The Emily Ballard entry has been squeezed in between 2 other entries on index, but page number looks like 221. There is a James Brown entry in that quarter page number 217. His marriage to Mary Ann Terren is in LMA records.
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On FreeBMD the reason the possible spouses are not showing is that the marriage reference in the index is "St Marylebone". The other entries are referenced to "Marylebone".
If you put in the quarter and year and the volume and page with no names you will see all the people with that reference.
As osprey said no James Brown with that reference.
Ray
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Thanks osprey. For some silly reason I thought the partners weren't showing on freebmd. They're not on ancestry, FindMyPast or the Genealogist...... unless I'm cracking up! ::)
I found her on the 1851 with James and her family, including her mother.
Mary Brown, born about 1815 Woolwich.I
Thanks Ray and I've just seen your replies. Maybe it is a transcription error then and it is the right marriage.
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Of maybe not a transcription error.I
Thanks Raybistre for your reply :)
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It’s an odd one on FreeBMD (which seems correctly to reflect the underlying handwritten register). She is not a match with any of the other people listed under p221, who all married on 13 or 14 April 1845 at St Marylebone parish church.
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I found her on the 1851 with James and her family, including her mother.
Mary Brown, born about 1815 Woolwich.I
Do you mean her mother Mary Ballard?
Family at 11 Brompton Road in 1851? HO 107 / 1469 / 7 / 6
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Emily is 36 in 1851 - plenty old enough to have had a previous marriage. Have you ruled that out?
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Is this birth relevant?
George Brown, mmn Ballard, Mar qtr 1843 Kensington
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Thanks avm228. Interesting. There does seem to be a problem with the record to my mind
Yes JenB that's the census I meant and yes Mary Brown's mother is Mary Ballard.
Hadn't thought of a remarriage avm228. Will definitely look into that. On the census her eldest child is 6 which led me to this 1845 marriage.
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I have a possible for you
Emily Ballard june qtr 1842 Kensington vol 3 pg 207 only 7 people on the page, there is a James Brown in the same quarter but the index page is well nigh illegible!
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the FreeBmd copy illegible, but on another site reference lacks the page number...
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baptism to match the George birth 19 March 1843 St Mary Abbots, Kensington son of James, grocer, and Emily of 11 High Street.
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baptism to match the George birth 19 March 1843 St Mary Abbots, Kensington son of James, grocer, and Emily of 11 High Street.
Ah yes. He was born 14 February 1843.
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James, grocer, and Emily of 11 High Street.
That also fits with their residence in 1851, 11 Brompton Road.
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Thanks everyone. Looks like they married in 1842 then......but there's still a problem with the record!
Since I really wanted to confirm who her father was and connect her to a possible brother and since there is not a London Marriage record available it looks as though I need the certificate.
Thanks for all your help.
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1841? New St, Kensington. Have seen Emma and Emily being interchangeable in the past. Father/grandfather's name fits Emily's first born. None born in county
George Ballard 75 - labourer
Mary Ballard 50 - dress maker
Emma Ballard 25 - dress maker
HO107; 690; 17; 29
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There's a baptism for an Emily in Woolwich in the right time frame - parents James (a carpenter) and Mary. Siblings:
Harriet - 1813
Emily - 1815
Jemima - 1819
Who is the potential brother you wish to link to?
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Thanks Mabel Bagshawe :)
Firstly, the 1841 census that you found is probably not relevant as Mary Ballard is a former claymaker on the 1851 but on the 1841 Mary states she is a dressmaker.
The baptism record you found is very interesting indeed and I will be off to search for it in a mo.
The facts are as follows....... and I therefore apologise for my apparent muddled way of progressing .....
I have a Thomas Ballard, born around 1805 (possibly Kensington) who married Eleanor Collins on 28th May 1843 at St Paul, Hammersmith. The London Marriage Record shows he is the son of James Ballard a carpenter and one of the witnesses is Emily Ballard.
Thomas died in 1860 and the 1851 census is rather unclear when it comes to reading his age.....it's been transcribed as 66 but looks more like 46 and he says he was born in Kensington.
I don't have enough info to trace him on the 1841.
Most people who are researching this family on Ancestry have researched no further than Thomas Ballard and Eleanor Collins. However there are some who have him born 1807 in Eynesford, Kent, son of James and Mary Ballard.
I can see no evidence at all to attach him to this James and Mary (other than the fact that the 1807 Eynesford baptism states James is a carpenter)
I think the Woolwich baptism you have found is well worth investigating, especially if there is also one for Thomas Ballard, around 1805.
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Thanks Mabel Bagshawe :)
Firstly, the 1841 census that you found is probably not relevant as Mary Ballard is a former claymaker on the 1851 but on the 1841 Mary states she is a dressmaker.
I read the 1851 as "former staymaker" [added i.e. corset maker] which fits very well with dressmaker!
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Ok, you could be right there, so it's still a possibility.
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if the 1851 census for Thomas is the one in Church Court, Kensington HO107/4368 folio 241 pg 20, I'd say his age is 44.
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Thomas Ballard
Birth: 23 May 1807
Birth Eynsford, Kent, England
Father: James Ballard
Mother: Mary Ballard, daughter of George and Mary Ballard
Witnesses: Daniel Eyre, surgeon, Mary Bage, Rebecca Eaves (mark - witnessed by John Williams and John Twitchet)
[non conformist, unlike the girls]
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Yes that's the 1851 census I have for him osprey and it does look more like 44 born in Kensington.
I also found that baptism Mabel Bagshawe as a few people have attached it to him on Ancestry but I really can find no reason to assume that's the right baptism for him apart from the fact James has the right occupation. I'd like to find a London baptism for Thomas son of James a carpenter as that would make more sense.