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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Topic started by: Wexflyer on Saturday 18 May 19 22:18 BST (UK)
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My calendar says "no".
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That would rather depend on the context for your question.
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It's nearly 5/12 gone, so it's mid-2019.
???
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Irish Genealogy were supposed to add more BMD records in "early 2019"
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/
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Irish Genealogy were supposed to add more BMD records in "early 2019"
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/
We have a winner!'
A government site, so my calendar must be wrong!
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Julian v Gregorian calendar?
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I know it's a PITA but there's literally one guy working on the site and it's not his priority, as far as I know.
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I know it's a PITA but there's literally one guy working on the site and it's not his priority, as far as I know.
All the more reason not to put a big banner on the front of the official web site, trumpeting an "Early 2019" release that has not happened! The false promise is still there, every time you go to this site.
How much work is it to remove this? 30 seconds?
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I agree it's irritating but they simply don't care about the website. They probably haven't looked at it since they put up that banner. And let's not forget they had earlier promised an update last November...
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It was reported in April that they are technical testing for the upload.
https://www.irishgenealogynews.com/2019/04/irish-gro-releases-latest-update-on.html
Your getting handed free records at your fingers tips, it's gold dust, give them/him a break.
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I would imagine the thousands of applications from people trying to escape the silliness of Brexit are slowing things up too. The staff have other things to be doing.
It will be updated eventually, though personally, it's the digitisation of the CofI records I am more excited about.
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Your getting handed free records at your fingers tips, it's gold dust, give them/him a break.
May be free for me, but not for you! "Your tax Euros at work"
As for giving them a break, is it too much to ask that they don't make highly publicized promises which - apparently - they have no intention of meeting? Much better to say nothing.
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Ireland gives too much stuff away FREE...
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I'm sure the did intend it to be early 2019, they missed the target. It's Ireland, we expect targets to be missed :D , just be glad your not waiting on the M7 roads works to finish.
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Ireland gives too much stuff away FREE...
The Irish are such kind generous people. Supporting all those expensive German bankers!
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Build a bridge
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We'd all love these records to be released but since they're free, I'll be content with an occasional good-natured moan. That site has saved me 1000s of euro since its launch, and that's just on my personal genealogy.
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Now updated and online!!
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Now updated and online!!
Looks like they don't like me. Long wanted an image of my great-grandparents marriage registration. After all these years waiting, no image! Why do I get this message rather than an image?
Date of Event 26 December 1877
Group Registration ID 2616273
SR District/Reg Area Wexford
Report any error in transcription.
Photocopies or official certificates can be obtained via the following link.
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If you wanted it that much, why didn't you just pay €4 to get it? ???
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If you wanted it that much, why didn't you just pay €4 to get it? ???
Because it is supposed to be free! I have a personal hand transcription these many years.
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Now updated and online!!
Looks like they don't like me. Long wanted an image of my great-grandparents marriage registration. After all these years waiting, no image! Why do I get this message rather than an image?
Date of Event 26 December 1877
Group Registration ID 2616273
SR District/Reg Area Wexford
Report any error in transcription.
Photocopies or official certificates can be obtained via the following link.
If they had waited 1 more week before they died you'd have Cert.... ;D
Register images of the Civil Records of Irish Births, Deaths and Marriages
The years covered by the release of the historic records of Births, Marriages and Deaths are:
Births: 1864 to 1916
Marriages: 1870** to 1941
Deaths: 1878** to 1966
**The General Register Office are currently working on updating further records of Marriages dating back to 1845 and Deaths dating back to 1864.
These will be included in future updates to the records available on the website.
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oops... the Marriage you wanted!! ;D
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oops... the Marriage you wanted!! ;D
Precisely!
But my question remains - why is there no link to an image for some B/D/M, which are within the range that should be available online? - I have encountered this before.
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Find one near it and look through the pages for the one you want.
Find out the vol and page number on FamilySearch that can be handy for finding the page as you browse
http://www.irelandgen.com/tools/gro_img_nav.php
If you have it in a parish register you can look for others married at the same time and see if the marriage is on the same page or a page nearby.
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oops... the Marriage you wanted!! ;D
Precisely!
But my question remains - why is there no link to an image for some B/D/M, which are within the range that should be available online? - I have encountered this before.
Looks like they don't like you.... ;D
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Find one near it and look through the pages for the one you want.
Find out the vol and page number on FamilySearch that can be handy for finding the page as you browse
http://www.irelandgen.com/tools/gro_img_nav.php
If you have it in a parish register you can look for others married at the same time and see if the marriage is on the same page or a page nearby.
Looks to be sage advice...
But things are still not looking good!
Preceding marriage in parish register was 4 months earlier (business was very poor!!), so not very useful.
Succeeding marriage, in first week of January 1878, would be in different civil registration volume - but is not in the ciivil registration index at all anyway!
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Sometimes it works sometime not, all you can do is keep scrolling through the register book and hope to get lucky, it can be a problem when you come to the end of the reel as it's hard to know where to go next, most reels cover more than one sub district so it's hit and miss. Also that browsing link doesn't pick up the extra images you get on some results, you know when there is anything up to 4 links on one result.
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For births, I suspect the reason an image is not there is that they were late registrations so they appear in a page of a later year.
One of my great-grandparent couples were rubbish at registering their kids. Eldest and a couple of others seem to have none at all, the next 2 have index references (both in the 1910s but no image). I know of a later son born in 1925 but not registered until 1952. My own grandfather not registered until he got his pension!
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Some new updates to Civil records January 2020
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/
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Wow that was quick, wasn't expecting a update for months, hope we get the rests of the deaths this year as well.
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I've sent an email to them today to say the District has gone awol again for Death entries that haven't yet been digitised.
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I've sent an email to them today to say the District has gone awol again for Death entries that haven't yet been digitised.
They seem to have fixed it again. Deaths not yet digitised are at least now, once again, showing District/Reg Area this morning.
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An additional year of historic Births, Marriages and Deaths (Index entry and register image) are now available to view on the website www.irishgenealogy.ie website. The records now available online include: Birth register records – 1864 to 1920; Marriage register records – 1845 to 1945 & Death register records – 1871* to 1970
Publication date of 8th January 2020 hasn't changed but appears Births 1920, Marriages 1945 and Deaths 1970 have been added.
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/news/154-update-to-the-civil-records-3
Just downloaded my aunt's birth record in 1920.
Edited to add:
Claire Santry confirms it
https://www.irishgenealogynews.com/2021/02/irishgenealogyie-adds-rolling-year-of.html
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Yes, I've been playing around with it and ticked off a few copy records for my files.
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Death registration of one of my GGMs might be on. So far I haven't found either of them. One died before 1901 and the other between 1901 and 1911.
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OK, here's the official notice today at 10.00am.
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/news/154-update-to-the-civil-records-3
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OK, here's the official notice today at 10.00am.
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/news/154-update-to-the-civil-records-3
So no progress at all in dealing with the missing historic death registrations, 1864 to 1871. >:(
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I wouldn't say no progress.
They gave us 7 extra years last year. I know a lot of GRO staff were seconded for contact tracing.
And it's all for free: imagine the money we'd be spending if this was UK records.
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Any idea when the next update is? I'm still hoping for some of those early death records but I may have to bite the bullet and start ordering them!
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None. They're not great at communicating. I'd seriously doubt they'd have anything before Autumn though.
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None. They're not great at communicating. I'd seriously doubt they'd have anything before Autumn though.
Thanks. I'll still take no communication and free records over the UK system. ;D
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An additional year of historic Births, Marriages and Deaths (Index entry and register image) are now available to view on the www.irishgenealogy.ie website. The records now available online include: Birth register records – 1864 to 1921; Marriage register records – 1845 to 1946 & Death register records – 1871* to 1971.
The index of deaths from 1864 to 1870 inclusive is also in the civil records database but the corresponding register images have yet to be added.
https://www.irishgenealogynews.com/2022/03/rolling-years-added-to.html
https://www.thejournal.ie/civil-registration-records-ireland-update-5697753-Mar2022/
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I ordered an 1870 death record in November and am still waiting for it!
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I've just looked up a death in Swinford in 1970. Youngest person on the page was 63; 4 were over 90.
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I ordered an 1870 death record in November and am still waiting for it!
I would contact them again. That sort of delay is not normal, even in covid times. You may have been lost in the system.
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I've tried to contact them at least 3 or 4 times to various email addresses but never receive a reply.
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According to Claire Santry, the civil records have been updated with you now being able to search and view on the site:
Birth register index and images – 1864 to 1922
Marriage register index and images – 1845 to 1947
Death register index 1864 to 1972. Images 1871 to 1972 only.
https://www.irishgenealogynews.com/2023/03/rolling-years-of-civil-bmd-registers.html
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According to Claire Santry, the civil records have been updated with you now being able to search and view on the site:
Birth register index and images – 1864 to 1922
Marriage register index and images – 1845 to 1947
Death register index 1864 to 1972. Images 1871 to 1972 only.
https://www.irishgenealogynews.com/2023/03/rolling-years-of-civil-bmd-registers.html
Thanks for highlighting latest update. Agree with Claire about it being frustrating there is still no sign yet of the register images for deaths from 1864 to 1870 though.
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At this rate, I may end up online myself before 1864-71 is released.....
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Just to note that it's death records for 1864-1870 that are outstanding.
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/news/154-update-to-the-civil-records-3 (and this hasn't been updated)
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Just to note that it's death records for 1864-1870 that are outstanding.
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/news/154-update-to-the-civil-records-3 (and this hasn't been updated)
Not all of 1871 is online, probably most missing, so 1864-71 is outstanding.
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At this rate, I may end up online myself before 1864-71 is released.....
Nooooo Wexflyer. I hope not. I'm still waiting for that time period too.
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Claire Santry
Rolling years updates to civil BMDs added to IrishGenealogy.ie
https://www.irishgenealogynews.com/2024/02/rolling-years-updates-to-civil-bmds.html
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHuVF8G2_QA
Link to You tube video 22 minutes long by John Grenham on "Irish Genealogy search quirks"
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Thank you for sharing the link for this video. I've just watched it. It's very insightful and helpful...lots of tips for searching more effectively on Irish Genealogy.
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Update
Almost there the indexes for the new years are up but no images yet, and the pre 1871 deaths have their Group registration ID but again no images yet.
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Update
Almost there the indexes for the new years are up but no images yet, and the pre 1871 deaths have their Group registration ID but again no images yet.
In short, it still isn't "Early 2019"!!
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Images now available
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Still no image for an 1870 death that I would like see.
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Still no image for an 1870 death that I would like see.
Agreed, still no death images for 1864-1870 ::)
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What's Another Year?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcJK7OLLxh4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcJK7OLLxh4)
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No images aside, have I suddenly lost my research capabilities, or have the pre 1871 death indexes (well, apart from those ones that already have a 'group registration ID' number allocated, although no image availabe), now been removed?
Today, I keep getting:
No results found. Please try a different search.
no matter what I try.
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It's not just you. :-\
Last night I tried to find death for a John Henry in 1867 in Coleraine registration district. I didn't expect to see the image but wanted his age at death from the index. I got the same "No results found. Please try a different search."
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At least I'm in good company then ;D.
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The main page for irishgenealogy.ie now says "Death register records – 1871 to 1974"
Even though we didn't have the images it was invaluable to be able to look up deaths between 1864 and 1871.
Hopefully this isn't some kind of crazy "fix" to the site for not having the images.
Anyone have any details from emailing to enquire?
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The index records for deaths for that timeframe are still on FamilySearch, with copies on Findmypast and Ancestry
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It's not just you. :-\
Last night I tried to find death for a John Henry in 1867 in Coleraine registration district. I didn't expect to see the image but wanted his age at death from the index. I got the same "No results found. Please try a different search."
The location is a bit scrambled on Familysearch, but this might match - the district is correct on the FindMyPast version:
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The location is a bit scrambled on Familysearch
Lurgan District often is too, as is a Townland and Parish elsewhere and the wrong one has sometimes been selected from drop down location lists. The District is only the one word in the quarterly indexes, but with no duplicate District/PLU names, so was lack of Irish registration knowledge during the volunteer online transcriptiion project.
Aghadowey knows of all the resources, but worth saying that for deaths before 1871 within what is now N.I. rather than Familysearch/Ancestry or Findmypast indexes better searching on GRONI where the images can be viewed too if desired.
If unsure of the relevance Familysearch's Ireland, Deaths, 1864-1870 (Ireland, Select Deaths, 1864-1870 on Ancestry) may add second forname, place of death (Townland or street) and occupation but is far from complete even for the years stated 1864 (12,622), 1865 (6,306), 1866 (22), 1867 (19), 1868 (41), 1869 (289) and 1870 (32,148).
https://familysearch.org/en/search/collection/1584965
https://ancestry.co.uk/search/collections/9903
The indexes elsewhere created from the 1959 microfilms are known to be deficient/incomplete compared with what was on IrishGen whose indexes were welcomed by genealogists as an improvement on what there was, even before the pdf images were linked.
https://irishgenealogynews.com/2013/05/so-what-so-plenty.html
The 1864-1870 Death indexes, names & ages disappeared 3 months ago at the same time as the site added the ability to specify County and search all districts within rather than just individual Superintendent Registrar Districts. The Location box became entitled "Enter a County, Civil registration district or Church area" Basically they stripped out anything that did not have a individual Group Registration ID to remove all the duplicates in the 3 index types.
I contacted them 7th Oct to point out that Co.Derry didn't work (zero results) B M & D. 18 results for Derry District.
Londonderry District, Strabane, Coleraine, Limavady, Newtownlimavady produce as they should.
Reply 13 Oct was "We initially experienced some minor bugs with this functionality as you have highlighted below, these issues should now be resolved."
Likely a generic response as seems they had tweaked and fixed elsewhere in the previous few days, but County Londonderry still cannot be searched in bulk if District is unknown, which was their reason for the change eg for those who knew their ancestor was from Co. Cork but not the Civil Parish or Townland & hence which one of 19 Districts it fell under.
https://rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=889249.msg7686348#msg7686348
I wrote "1864-1870 essentially get no Death results [122 for all Ireland] as all the old index only have disappeared which may mean that all the later duplications of entries have disappeared where had one result with an image and another saying the image was unavailable"
Wildcard functionality also seemed to return in Advanced boxes, mother's maiden surname, spouse etc.
Trying that Civil Deaths search tonight [just entering end date 1870, no name or location] I get 1365 results (one being for 1856 and two for 1858 - John Hanlon was 1956, Anne Cullen 1958 but her image is the next page from that linked. The final Michael Daly is actually indexed correctly and perhaps a period error for 1868 https://irishgenealogy.ie/view/?record_id=cide-7243855).
Along the same lines there are 15 pre-1864 births, so likely transcription errors/typos to report, which only get incorporated periodically when they next update the database (next year with the missing deaths?).
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FYI of the 15 pre-1864 births indexed all were input errors and all have mother's maiden surnames indexed so are presumably recent additions/submissions.
All 9 in 1863 should read 1864 and most of the mother's maiden surnames were wrong too eg McSimon = McLornan/m, Hrahan = Strahan or the father's surname Shannahan (Shanahan)
A few were in N.I so could be cross referenced if hard to read as could the old quarterly index transcripts (FindMyPast version).
William Flynn 1861 I proposed 1961, there is no image.
Margaret Johnston 1860 should be 1866.
Justin Feddis 1859 image not found, suggested 1959 as there is no index entry in Rathdown earlier.
Christopher Byrne mother Fagan was definately 1957 as there is a matching quarterly birth index.
Mary McAdams 29 Jan 1854 should be 1864 and was the only entry on a October re-submission with clerical errors on the previous April one, so is indexed twice ('1854' & 1864) but both are linked to the same later image. Her twin Anne is again indexed twice (1864), with different Group Registration IDs, but both of hers link to the original April submission image showing both births & others.
These errors were only apparent because the dates were impossible, any births 1970 entered as 1870 would not be.