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Title: James Martin b 1788
Post by: Rustypup on Tuesday 07 May 19 22:32 BST (UK)
 

   Trying to find death for James Martin b 1788 Sorn

   Father Robert b 1771 Maybole d 1841 Maybole
   Mother Elizabeth Piercy or Pearson b 1770 Douglas d 1851/1855
   Married 1787

    James married Elisabeth Balfour 1825 in Coylton
    Recorded as a pauper 1851 Census
    Elisabeth died 1867 as a widow
    Unable to find him 1861 Census

     Any help would be appreciated

     Regards
     Rustypup



James
           
Title: Re: James Martin b 1788
Post by: CaroleW on Tuesday 07 May 19 22:42 BST (UK)
If you are looking for his death you need to look on www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk
Title: Re: James Martin b 1788
Post by: CaroleW on Tuesday 07 May 19 22:51 BST (UK)
There are 3 deaths in Ayrshire in 1862 and 2 in 1860 all listed with no ages shown.  Have you already checked them out?

2 Elizabeth Martin deaths 1867 - which one was she?  Dreghorn  or Kilwinning
Title: Re: James Martin b 1788
Post by: Rustypup on Wednesday 08 May 19 21:55 BST (UK)
   
   Hi CaroleW

    Have searched Scotlands People for death without success.

     The 1860 deaths are a child and a 33 year old farmer.

      The 1862 deaths are 2 children and a widower.

       Wife Elisabeth's death in 1867 is in Dreghorn.

       Wondered if he died in poorhouse but thought it would probably have been in Ayrshire

       Thanks
        Rustypup
Title: Re: James Martin b 1788
Post by: MonicaL on Thursday 09 May 19 22:11 BST (UK)
Quote from: Rustypup on Tuesday 07 May 19 22:32 BST (UK)

    James married Elisabeth Balfour 1825 in Coylton
    Recorded as a pauper 1851 Census
    Elisabeth died 1867 as a widow
    Unable to find him 1861 Census
         

Whilst you have been unable to find James, have you tried to look for Elizabeth by herself in 1861? It would let you confirm her marital status and help you narrow down James's death further.

Monica
Title: Re: James Martin b 1788
Post by: Forfarian on Friday 10 May 19 09:07 BST (UK)
If he was described as a pauper in the 1851 census, this almost certainly means that he was receiving relief from the Parochial Board, the committee responsible for administering the Poor Law after 1845. If so, the Board's records would have collected a lot of detail about his family circumstances, and would have noted his death when it occurred.

The big question is whether or not these records have survived. If they have, they should be in the care of Ayrshire Archives http://www.ayrshirearchives.org.uk/ or if not the Archives should know where they are. So I suggest that you contact them.
Title: Re: James Martin b 1788
Post by: Rustypup on Friday 10 May 19 10:58 BST (UK)
   


      Thanks Forfarian
   

       I thought being a pauper would have been something like this. Will contact Ayrshire Archives
        Have dealt with them before. They are very good.

         Regards
         Rustypup
Title: Re: James Martin b 1788
Post by: MonicaL on Friday 10 May 19 21:10 BST (UK)
Elizabeth Balfour likely a widow by 1861 in Dreghorn:

Elizabeth Balfour 62 formerly dairymaid b. Tarbolton
Archibald Martin 19 son miner b. Coylton

The original image would let you confirm.

Son Robert married in 1857? His marriage cert should show whether father James was alive or deceased at the time of his marriage.

Monica
Title: Re: James Martin b 1788
Post by: Forfarian on Friday 10 May 19 22:08 BST (UK)
Another transcription says she is a widow.
Title: Re: James Martin b 1788
Post by: MonicaL on Friday 10 May 19 22:20 BST (UK)
Looked likely didn't it.

If the deaths showing on SP have been checked, likely James died pre 1855. Nothing showing on the OPR index for burials/deaths on SP between 1851-55.

Monica