RootsChat.Com

England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Nottinghamshire => Topic started by: maggie.mae on Tuesday 07 May 19 17:41 BST (UK)

Title: England & Wales christening 1530-1906
Post by: maggie.mae on Tuesday 07 May 19 17:41 BST (UK)
Evening all.
Sometime ago I found an ancestor on this site but now I can't find the site.  Does it still exist if so how do I access it, please? I found Elizabeth Granger bap.12 April 1780 Nottingham St Marys.
Thanks
Maggie
Title: Re: England & Wales christening 1530-1906
Post by: rosie99 on Tuesday 07 May 19 17:47 BST (UK)
It is one of the collections on Ancestry - it looks as though it is sourced from the BIVRI which was done by the Latter day Saints  (British Isles Vital Records Index)
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/collections/bivri_englandbirth/
Title: Re: England & Wales christening 1530-1906
Post by: maggie.mae on Tuesday 07 May 19 17:54 BST (UK)
Thanks Rosie, but that is "1980" this is "1906". It was different. Could it have changed? I'm not on Ancestry, could you have a look for me if you are, please?
Thanks
Maggie
Title: Re: England & Wales christening 1530-1906
Post by: rosie99 on Tuesday 07 May 19 18:13 BST (UK)
I just googled England & Wales christening 1530-1906 and that is what came up  :-\   I have just read the link further and it says..
About England & Wales, Christening Index, 1530-1980
This database contains information extracted from birth and christening records from various counties in England and Wales. The records date from 1530 to 1906.

I wonder if they have just updated it.  The BIVRI was originally available to purchase on disc, I have it somewhere but it is not usable on my computer.
Title: Re: England & Wales christening 1530-1906
Post by: maggie.mae on Tuesday 07 May 19 18:20 BST (UK)
Oh thanks Rosie, I'm on Findmypast at the moment....had a change but wish I hadn't!! I will check to see if they have it.
Can anyone have a look on the site to see if they can find Elizabeth Granger 12 April 1780 Notts St Marys, please?
Thanks
Maggie
Title: Re: England & Wales christening 1530-1906
Post by: dave-the-rave on Tuesday 07 May 19 20:51 BST (UK)
hi maggie is yours still william tuckwood and elizabeth thy were married about 1800s elizabeth died 1825 some one said her age on dying may be wrongly transcibed so she may be about 50 years old
which her birth year around 1775 or less is this the same one please dave
Title: Re: England & Wales christening 1530-1906
Post by: maggie.mae on Tuesday 07 May 19 21:23 BST (UK)
Hi Dave. Yes it is.William Tuckwood 1779 born Welby Lincs married 24th Nov 1803 Elizabeth Granger  12 April 1780 Notts St Marys. She died 24 April 1833 and is buried Notts St Marys. Not found her parents yet. This has been a very big brick wall but slowly it is coming down.
The problem is when I want to go back to sites where I found the indexes they seem to have disappeared or the info is not there. Very frustrating. There are many Grangers all over Nottingham but I cannot connect one to Elizabeth. William isn't a problem....I think I've solved that one but again I can't refind the info.
They are there somewhere.....
Maggie
Title: Re: England & Wales christening 1530-1906
Post by: maggie.mae on Tuesday 07 May 19 21:27 BST (UK)
oooops wrong burial!!!!  20th November 1825.
Maggie
Title: Re: England & Wales christening 1530-1906
Post by: dave-the-rave on Wednesday 08 May 19 10:29 BST (UK)
hi maggi
20 November 1825 Elizabeth TUCKWOOD, Cross St, aged 30 (wonder if the age as transcribed is correct??
and if her last son george was born 1822 some dates are not correct as she would be approx 45 years old on death,
hope this helps the search for her dave
Title: Re: England & Wales christening 1530-1906
Post by: maggie.mae on Wednesday 08 May 19 10:45 BST (UK)
Hello Dave.
George was born 1817 Bap. 17th November 1822. Cross St was where they all lived from 1822 and Deardens Dir. has him at Cross St as a shoemaker in 1825 aged 46yrs.
Yes, I believe Elizabeth's age was mistranscribed.
Maggie
Title: Re: England & Wales christening 1530-1906
Post by: rosie99 on Wednesday 08 May 19 11:11 BST (UK)
hi maggi
20 November 1825 Elizabeth TUCKWOOD, Cross St, aged 30 (wonder if the age as transcribed is correct??
and if her last son george was born 1822 some dates are not correct as she would be approx 45 years old on death,
hope this helps the search for her dave

Another transcript has her as 20  ::)
Title: Re: England & Wales christening 1530-1906
Post by: maggie.mae on Wednesday 08 May 19 13:18 BST (UK)
Whats that one,Rosie.?
Title: Re: England & Wales christening 1530-1906
Post by: rosie99 on Wednesday 08 May 19 13:58 BST (UK)
There are two on FindMyPast for the date and place you have, National Burial index (age 30) and Nottinghamshire burial index (age 20)
Title: Re: England & Wales christening 1530-1906
Post by: maggie.mae on Wednesday 08 May 19 14:09 BST (UK)
Thanks,Rosie, I'll take a look.
Title: Re: England & Wales christening 1530-1906
Post by: larkspur on Wednesday 08 May 19 14:49 BST (UK)
The NFHS baptism register only has 3 baptisms for 12 April 1780 at St Mary, Nottingham.
Elizabeth- parents John & Sarah Heywood
Elizabeth parents Samuel & Elizabeth Smith
William parents James and Sarah Skidmore.

The nearest to Granger is....
20 Nov 1789 Elizabeth dau of Samuel & Mary GRAIN

NFHS burial Register.
Elizabeth Tuckwoods burial record gives her age as 30 abode Cross St.  Buried 4 Aug 1823 Charlotte Tuckwood aged 15 abode Cross Street.
Title: Re: England & Wales christening 1530-1906
Post by: maggie.mae on Wednesday 08 May 19 15:22 BST (UK)
Hello Larkspur.
The info I found was " Elizabeth Granger -Father William 12 April 1780 Notts St Marys. Eng&Wales Christening 1530-1906" Would it be a different set of info as it was Christening and not Baptism?
I wrote it down as I read it as I didn't want to forget the source. I'll have to see if I can buy the CD somewhere.
Title: Re: England & Wales christening 1530-1906
Post by: larkspur on Wednesday 08 May 19 15:28 BST (UK)
Babies are baptised during a Christening service....
https://churchofenglandchristenings.org/for-parents/is-a-baptism-different-to-a-christening/
Title: Re: England & Wales christening 1530-1906
Post by: rosie99 on Wednesday 08 May 19 18:45 BST (UK)
One problem with some records from the LDS in the past was that they included entries submitted by patrons and were not necessarily in the relevant register ie. they had been invented.  Larkspur has given information from the Notts FHS transcripts, to be really sure you need to have someone look at the original register.
Title: Re: England & Wales christening 1530-1906
Post by: maggie.mae on Wednesday 08 May 19 20:31 BST (UK)
Where would I find the original register, Rosie? Nottingham Archives?
Title: Re: England & Wales christening 1530-1906
Post by: rosie99 on Thursday 09 May 19 08:34 BST (UK)
Where would I find the original register, Rosie? Nottingham Archives?

Have you looked at their website to see if they hold the registers

I generally use Genuki to locate where registers are held or look at family search catalogue to see if they are available to view at a LDS family history centre.

https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/NTT

https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/search/

Sorry I can't be more help
Title: Re: England & Wales christening 1530-1906
Post by: maggie.mae on Thursday 09 May 19 08:53 BST (UK)
No problem,Rosie, thanks for the info.
Maggie
Title: Re: England & Wales christening 1530-1906
Post by: nottsgirl1 on Thursday 09 May 19 09:14 BST (UK)
Hi maggie,

Yes the original registers for St Mary's is at Nottingham archives, let me know what it is exactly what you need and I'll have a look for you tomorrow.

Ng
Title: Re: England & Wales christening 1530-1906
Post by: maggie.mae on Thursday 09 May 19 09:37 BST (UK)
Good morning Notts girl, thank you. I have just rang the Archives and they say they don't hold them. St Marys start from 1567 to 19? I can't remember what they said. They said the 1530 ones were the originals but they don't hold them. I know I found her there because I have other info. I looked at marriage reg.1566-1763 and a ABS.Marriage license 1701 - 1853. (David Granger/ Phebe Ball/Hale/Bale)

It's Elizabeth Granger 12th April 1780 Notts St Marys Father William.
I found her there about 5 years ago in England & Wales Christening 1530 - 1906 but I live in Skegness now. If you can find her I'll be very grateful. It'll mean I'm not imagining it.
Maggie
Title: Re: England & Wales christening 1530-1906
Post by: nottsgirl1 on Thursday 09 May 19 10:00 BST (UK)
Hi Maggie,

Odd that they said they don't have records for St Mary's Nottingham (its Nottingham's main church) as they are on fiche and I often look at them, I'm not sure what date they start from as some of the early ones are unreadable.

I have the NFHS disc which has all of St Mary's Christenings on for 1780 and she's not on it but I'll check the fiches tomorrow for you.

NG
Title: Re: England & Wales christening 1530-1906
Post by: maggie.mae on Thursday 09 May 19 13:03 BST (UK)
Sorry, NG, I said it wrong. They do have the records but they don't have the 1530-1906 specifically. It looks like I will have to sign up to Ancestry as Findmypast don't have them but Ancestry do.

Thank you so much for taking the trouble.
Maggie
Title: Re: England & Wales christening 1530-1906
Post by: larkspur on Thursday 09 May 19 14:34 BST (UK)
"Nottinghamshire, England, Extracted Church of England Parish Records, 1538-1837."
"Christening Index, 1530-1980"  On Ancestry.

 England & Wales Christening 1530 - 1906
Is  the British Isles Vital Records Index (2nd edition), as issued by the Mormon Church (LDS) on CD.
 https://www.cyndislist.com/uk/wls/bmd/ if you click on the link it takes you to Ancestry 1530 to 1980, so updated.

Elizabeth Granger's baptism /Christening is not on Ancestry.co.uk, I have checked.I have also checked Family Search and nothing coming up on there.

Edited
Ok double checking I have found 4 Elizabeth Grangers from Nottingham but Ancestry keeps shipping me off to join the USA site.....dont know if this is its usual silliness  ::)
Title: Re: England & Wales christening 1530-1906
Post by: maggie.mae on Thursday 09 May 19 15:12 BST (UK)
Hi Larkspur.
This is crazy!! I've signed up to Ancestry for a month and I found nothing either. I'm going to ask my cousin in USA to have a look for me. If I hadn't seen it I wouldn't have written it down...ugggh!
Title: Re: England & Wales christening 1530-1906
Post by: nottsgirl1 on Thursday 09 May 19 15:17 BST (UK)
Hi,

As I said I'll check at the archives tomorrow, if it is not there then it didn't happen and won't be on ancestry.

Larkspur, Ancestry has been trying  that trick every time I'm on the site where its free in the Archives too it's every annoying.

NG
Title: Re: England & Wales christening 1530-1906
Post by: maggie.mae on Thursday 09 May 19 16:13 BST (UK)
Many thanks to you all for the help. If she isn't found then I'll just take what I've got.
That's Family research for you.
Take care
Maggie
Title: Re: England & Wales christening 1530-1906
Post by: larkspur on Friday 10 May 19 13:29 BST (UK)
Hi,

As I said I'll check at the archives tomorrow, if it is not there then it didn't happen and won't be on ancestry.

Larkspur, Ancestry has been trying  that trick every time I'm on the site where its free in the Archives too it's every annoying.

NG



Thank you for that. I thought it was just me...annoying it keeps bumping me off .
Title: Re: England & Wales christening 1530-1906
Post by: nottsgirl1 on Friday 10 May 19 17:20 BST (UK)
Hi Maggie,

Went into the archives today, no christening for Elizabeth Granger at St Mary's at all. Had a look at the marriage to William Tuckwood for clues but that was no help just said both Elizabeth and William was of parish (St Mary's) doesn't say if she was a spinster or a widow, marriage was by Banns and witnesses were Henry Daycock and James Smith.
Went onto the burial record but that was so faded I couldn't make out anything so was able to order the actual book up but that was also to faded so her age could have been 30 but that is too young or 40 which would have made her a minor when she got married or 50 which would have her born 1775.

So sorry no help to you really :(

NG
Title: Re: England & Wales christening 1530-1906
Post by: maggie.mae on Friday 10 May 19 17:53 BST (UK)
Never mind, many thanks for trying. Going over some old Rootschat papers I found you had helped me with loads of things for my Tuckwood line, but you can't win them all.
She has to be somewhere as I wrote her fathers name down, William. That data base is somewhere....I just have to find it.
Many thanks everyone, good hunting.
Maggie
Title: Re: England & Wales christening 1530-1906
Post by: dave-the-rave on Friday 10 May 19 18:17 BST (UK)
hi maggie again i know its no help to you but i help my nephews wife her surname was Granger
there was a lot in middlesbrough ,travelers,so your elizabeth could be from some were else or was married before to a granger so just keep diging and you will find her i will try for you kind regards dave